just a general question

SHMStrack · 03-23-2009, 11:01 AM

Im running two penguin 200's in my 50 gallon. would it be wise to remove the carbon from the filter and replace with nano rubble and filter floss? or keep running the active carbon filters?

BigAl07 · 03-23-2009, 11:04 AM

Are you using any Live Sand and Live Rock?

Is this a Reef Tank?

FO?

FOWLR?

It's best to rely on your Live Rock and Live Sand for biological filtration and not filter floss. Don't add Rubble as it will become a detritus trap.

Tell us more about your system

SHMStrack · 03-23-2009, 11:08 AM

well its a FOWLR... in the making that is. haha Ive got about 20lbs of live rock and ive got 45 pounds on mail order. live sand has been in the tank since i set it up which was a week ago.

BigAl07 · 03-23-2009, 11:10 AM

Oh ok. Well I wouldn't really rely on the HOB for my filtration mainly because I suspect that at some point you'll want SOME coral in there. They are notorious for catching detritus and then quickly becoming high tech Nitrate Factories. This isn't much of an issue with FO or FOWLR but Coral don't tolerate (generally speaking) Nitrate )NO3) very well.

For now just be mindful but don't put LR rubble in there.

SHMStrack · 03-23-2009, 11:13 AM

alright, thanks. what do you suggest i do for future filtration?

BigAl07 · 03-23-2009, 11:15 AM

Honestly your Live Rock and your Live Sand will help a LOT! If you feed heavy or have "Messy" eaters (lion fish, puffer) you may want to go with a wet/dry but then again that's not ideal for a REEF set-up. Think long-term and if you even remotely think you may want coral go ahead and plan that way.

If I were you (and this is where I started out as well) I would plan for Reef just in case. Research a sump and a fuge (called refugium).

Allen

lcstorc · 03-23-2009, 11:17 AM

Your primary filtration is going to be your LR. Next on the list would be a protein skimmer. I would (and have) keep the HOB filter running with the carbon and floss but keep it very clean. I don't use the filters that came with the HOB just because of the expense. You need to avoid detritus gathering in the filter and just use it for polishing the water and removing the extra food etc.

SHMStrack · 03-23-2009, 11:18 AM

Thanks al, for real. you have answered every question ive had on this site.

BigAl07 · 03-23-2009, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHMStrack

...... you have answered every question ive had on this site.

Uh oh. That's NOT a good thing at all LOL!

I probably need to visit RSA (Reef Sanctuary Anonymous)

SHMStrack · 03-23-2009, 11:22 AM

ha just dont tell me you get on this site at 2 in the morning for a fix =p

BigAl07 · 03-23-2009, 11:23 AM

Nope! I just never LEAVE

SHMStrack · 03-23-2009, 11:26 AM

ha im going to get back to my schoolwork, and again thanks.

nicoleblkwidow · 03-23-2009, 03:43 PM

Yep, AL is the MAN!

03-23-2009, 11:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
SHMStrack Fire Coral Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Marys WV Posts: 80 View Gallery Karma Komment	just a general question Im running two penguin 200's in my 50 gallon. would it be wise to remove the carbon from the filter and replace with nano rubble and filter floss? or keep running the active carbon filters?

03-23-2009, 11:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: just a general question Are you using any Live Sand and Live Rock? Is this a Reef Tank? FO? FOWLR? It's best to rely on your Live Rock and Live Sand for biological filtration and not filter floss. Don't add Rubble as it will become a detritus trap. Tell us more about your system __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

03-23-2009, 11:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
SHMStrack Fire Coral Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Marys WV Posts: 80 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: just a general question well its a FOWLR... in the making that is. haha Ive got about 20lbs of live rock and ive got 45 pounds on mail order. live sand has been in the tank since i set it up which was a week ago.

03-23-2009, 11:10 AM	#4 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: just a general question Oh ok. Well I wouldn't really rely on the HOB for my filtration mainly because I suspect that at some point you'll want SOME coral in there. They are notorious for catching detritus and then quickly becoming high tech Nitrate Factories. This isn't much of an issue with FO or FOWLR but Coral don't tolerate (generally speaking) Nitrate )NO3) very well. For now just be mindful but don't put LR rubble in there. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

03-23-2009, 11:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
SHMStrack Fire Coral Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Marys WV Posts: 80 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: just a general question alright, thanks. what do you suggest i do for future filtration?

03-23-2009, 11:15 AM	#6 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: just a general question Honestly your Live Rock and your Live Sand will help a LOT! If you feed heavy or have "Messy" eaters (lion fish, puffer) you may want to go with a wet/dry but then again that's not ideal for a REEF set-up. Think long-term and if you even remotely think you may want coral go ahead and plan that way. If I were you (and this is where I started out as well) I would plan for Reef just in case. Research a sump and a fuge (called refugium). Allen __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

03-23-2009, 11:17 AM	#7 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 26,433 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: just a general question Your primary filtration is going to be your LR. Next on the list would be a protein skimmer. I would (and have) keep the HOB filter running with the carbon and floss but keep it very clean. I don't use the filters that came with the HOB just because of the expense. You need to avoid detritus gathering in the filter and just use it for polishing the water and removing the extra food etc. __________________ Peace LYNN Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Lynn's frag tank experiment A reef tank is like a race car. The faster you go the harder you crash.

03-23-2009, 11:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
SHMStrack Fire Coral Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Marys WV Posts: 80 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: just a general question Thanks al, for real. you have answered every question ive had on this site.

03-23-2009, 11:22 AM	#10 (permalink)
SHMStrack Fire Coral Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Marys WV Posts: 80 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: just a general question ha just dont tell me you get on this site at 2 in the morning for a fix =p

03-23-2009, 11:23 AM	#11 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: just a general question Nope! I just never LEAVE __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

03-23-2009, 11:26 AM	#12 (permalink)
SHMStrack Fire Coral Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Marys WV Posts: 80 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: just a general question ha im going to get back to my schoolwork, and again thanks.

03-23-2009, 03:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
nicoleblkwidow Sea Pen Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Queen Creek, AZ Posts: 325 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: just a general question Yep, AL is the MAN! __________________ Nicole Xenia and GSP are evil

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