no more t-5's ?????

shadyc · 01-19-2009, 09:05 PM

heaqrd from a friend that they are gonna discontinue t-5 bulbs and go with compacts's and mh? is this true and will they still carry the bulbs for the t-5 fixtures?

Luukosian · 01-19-2009, 09:17 PM

Who is "they"?...I don't think t-5 bulbs are going to stop being manufactured in the foreseeable future. If your talking about a specific vendor I can't help you there. T-5's are used widely in commercial and residential applications not just for reef tanks, if they stopped manufacturing them a lot of people would be out money.

corrado007 · 01-19-2009, 09:25 PM

I agree, I'm pretty sure t-5 lighting isn't going anywhere, it's a very popular set-up. Great light output, fairly efficient, and not nearly as hot as Halides. Perhaps your source of information was referring to one specific vendor as mentioned before.

BigAl07 · 01-19-2009, 09:37 PM

T5 is a very efficient "Green" light especially when compared to T12's and T8's. Our company just recently (2 years ago) changed our whole company over to T8's and now they're saying we need to GO to T5's. I think we have a case of mis-information here. I hope anyway

jjohnson3 · 01-19-2009, 09:38 PM

I hope to Al because I just bought a Nova Pro!!! I might stock up with 100 new bulbs. That should support me till I get a new tank!!!

XBwlr · 01-19-2009, 09:39 PM

There's a rumor going around work that the EPA is trying to get rid of all lamps that use mercury.

jjohnson3 · 01-19-2009, 09:42 PM

Flourescent tubes use mercury? I did not know that...I guess you learn something new every day!

BigAl07 · 01-19-2009, 09:49 PM

ALL flourescent tubes do (and always HAVE) used one small drop of mercury. It's just "Came to light" and now people have something else to "focus" their attention (and lobbying ) on. The mercury is extremely small and only poses a risk if there is continued long term and direct exposure. The only person/people that need to worry are people who handle these bulbs in large bulk (manufacturers, recyclers etc) where they could come into contact with many MANY doses over repeated use. I'm not trying to :soapbox: but this is one topic I'm near and dear to and it's absolutely ridiculous how a "notion" becomes an Environmental tragedy.

XBwlr · 01-19-2009, 10:03 PM

What "was" going around was, that 2009 would be the last year for fluorescents. Supposedly we got a "stay of execution" until 2010.

BigAl07 · 01-19-2009, 10:05 PM

That's all news to me. I know that 2009 "was" to be the end of Incandescent bulbs in Canada but I think that was "put off" for now.

Scott you understand that the new "Fad" in lighting and "Green" is the CFL (curly que) bulb with is flourescent?

Dentoid · 01-19-2009, 11:01 PM

I think the mercury issue is more about its potential impact on the environment as a result of bulb disposal. We all know that in a country with as many people as the US has, disposal and recycling fall short. In my profession we have to ensure that we are not allowing mercury from the removal of old fillings to go down the drain and in many states mercury separators are required in dental offices. This is the reason many European nations have banned the use of mercury/silver fillings as a restorative material, because of its impact on the environment, not because of any potential direct health concerns.

Varga · 01-19-2009, 11:07 PM

regular fillings dont have mercury in them, do they? what about crowns?

BigAl07 · 01-19-2009, 11:17 PM

Scott right now the main concern is indeed for those "handling" them on a daily basis. Imagine a "Waste Management Facility" that allows them to be collected and brought to a local area. Some guy not paying attention could destroy hundreds at one time releasing the mercury into the immediate area causing an immediate type of low-level haz-mat call for cleanup. Transporting and storing these fragile units is a huge challenge. Our company is actually selling a machine designed to efficiently "destroy & contain" all the particles in the actual bulb. It's a "Closed system" that confines everything inside of a container and when it's full we call the "Truck" to come pick it up and bring us a new one. It's a GREAT product for companies that handle LOTS of bulbs (schools, industries, hospitals etc) and it allows easy reclamation of the mercury.

For those who only use a few bulbs can purchase a small container for storage and shipping of these bulbs back to the recycler from us. It's postage paid and includes all of the taxes/fees associated with the process.

Our company isn't just talking Green... we're DOING GREEN

Actually I'm meeting with our county leaders tomorrow to go over my "Green Business Plan" and discuss our "Bulb Recycling Programs".

If there's one topic I know at least a little about this happens to be the one. I eat, sleep and breathe GREEN!!

Dentoid · 01-19-2009, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Varga

regular fillings dont have mercury in them, do they? what about crowns?

I don't know what you mean by "regular fillings" but silver fillings are an amalgamation of silver and mercury with a little zinc thrown in for corrosion resistance.

I could go into the material science behind dental crowns, but it's lengthy, so I'll save you the agony. However, there is no mercury in crowns that are fabricated in the US.

BigAl07 · 01-19-2009, 11:22 PM

I can tell you one thing about crowns.. I have one and it's my FAVORITE tooth! I wish they were ALL just like that one

Of course it wasn't cheap but it's a FINE piece of workmanship and well worth the $$$ and effort he spent on it. My hat's off to you Doc

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01-19-2009, 09:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
Luukosian Plate Coral Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Burlington, IA Posts: 735 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: no more t-5's ????? Who is "they"?...I don't think t-5 bulbs are going to stop being manufactured in the foreseeable future. If your talking about a specific vendor I can't help you there. T-5's are used widely in commercial and residential applications not just for reef tanks, if they stopped manufacturing them a lot of people would be out money.

01-19-2009, 09:25 PM	#3 (permalink)
corrado007 Plate Coral Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sacramento, Ca. Posts: 764 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: no more t-5's ????? I agree, I'm pretty sure t-5 lighting isn't going anywhere, it's a very popular set-up. Great light output, fairly efficient, and not nearly as hot as Halides. Perhaps your source of information was referring to one specific vendor as mentioned before. __________________ Justin _________________________________ Please watch out for motorcycles (look twice, it could save a life). 90gal mixed reef w/40gal sump/fuge, ATO, Octopus NW-200 Skimmer, 2x 250W 12k Reeflux MH & 220W VHO actinics, Koralia #4 & #3, Mag 9.5 return, Aquacontroller jr., LR & LS, and community fish (Yellow Assessor, Bluespot Jawfish, paired Yellow Watchman Goby & Red Striped Pistol Shrimp, paired O Clowns, 1 Green Chromis, Yellow Clown Goby, Scooter Blenny, and a Red Head Solon Fairy Wrasse). updated 7/11/09 Here's my 90gal Chronicle (Lots of pictures and DIY)

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BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: no more t-5's ????? T5 is a very efficient "Green" light especially when compared to T12's and T8's. Our company just recently (2 years ago) changed our whole company over to T8's and now they're saying we need to GO to T5's. I think we have a case of mis-information here. I hope anyway __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

01-19-2009, 09:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
jjohnson3 Elegance coral Join Date: May 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,056 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: no more t-5's ????? I hope to Al because I just bought a Nova Pro!!! I might stock up with 100 new bulbs. That should support me till I get a new tank!!! __________________ >Jason< reefing........it's an addiction........ Here is how the tank is stocked(this will change) FISH 2-Occelaris Clownfish(mated) 1-Royal Gramma CORAL Pagoda Cup, Open Brain, and 12 awesome LPS frags from PEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-19-2009, 09:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
XBwlr Elegance coral Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kingston, Ohio Posts: 1,224 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: no more t-5's ????? There's a rumor going around work that the EPA is trying to get rid of all lamps that use mercury. __________________ -Scott "Do I really look like a guy with a plan?"

01-19-2009, 09:42 PM	#7 (permalink)
jjohnson3 Elegance coral Join Date: May 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,056 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: no more t-5's ????? Flourescent tubes use mercury? I did not know that...I guess you learn something new every day! __________________ >Jason< reefing........it's an addiction........ Here is how the tank is stocked(this will change) FISH 2-Occelaris Clownfish(mated) 1-Royal Gramma CORAL Pagoda Cup, Open Brain, and 12 awesome LPS frags from PEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

01-19-2009, 09:49 PM	#8 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: no more t-5's ????? ALL flourescent tubes do (and always HAVE) used one small drop of mercury. It's just "Came to light" and now people have something else to "focus" their attention (and lobbying ) on. The mercury is extremely small and only poses a risk if there is continued long term and direct exposure. The only person/people that need to worry are people who handle these bulbs in large bulk (manufacturers, recyclers etc) where they could come into contact with many MANY doses over repeated use. I'm not trying to :soapbox: but this is one topic I'm near and dear to and it's absolutely ridiculous how a "notion" becomes an Environmental tragedy. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

01-19-2009, 10:03 PM	#9 (permalink)
XBwlr Elegance coral Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Kingston, Ohio Posts: 1,224 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: no more t-5's ????? What "was" going around was, that 2009 would be the last year for fluorescents. Supposedly we got a "stay of execution" until 2010. __________________ -Scott "Do I really look like a guy with a plan?"

01-19-2009, 10:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: no more t-5's ????? That's all news to me. I know that 2009 "was" to be the end of Incandescent bulbs in Canada but I think that was "put off" for now. Scott you understand that the new "Fad" in lighting and "Green" is the CFL (curly que) bulb with is flourescent? __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

01-19-2009, 11:07 PM	#12 (permalink)
Varga Manta Ray Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,355 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: no more t-5's ????? regular fillings dont have mercury in them, do they? what about crowns? __________________ Varga's Cube http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...on-cube-5.html

01-19-2009, 11:17 PM	#13 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: no more t-5's ????? Scott right now the main concern is indeed for those "handling" them on a daily basis. Imagine a "Waste Management Facility" that allows them to be collected and brought to a local area. Some guy not paying attention could destroy hundreds at one time releasing the mercury into the immediate area causing an immediate type of low-level haz-mat call for cleanup. Transporting and storing these fragile units is a huge challenge. Our company is actually selling a machine designed to efficiently "destroy & contain" all the particles in the actual bulb. It's a "Closed system" that confines everything inside of a container and when it's full we call the "Truck" to come pick it up and bring us a new one. It's a GREAT product for companies that handle LOTS of bulbs (schools, industries, hospitals etc) and it allows easy reclamation of the mercury. For those who only use a few bulbs can purchase a small container for storage and shipping of these bulbs back to the recycler from us. It's postage paid and includes all of the taxes/fees associated with the process. Our company isn't just talking Green... we're DOING GREEN Actually I'm meeting with our county leaders tomorrow to go over my "Green Business Plan" and discuss our "Bulb Recycling Programs". If there's one topic I know at least a little about this happens to be the one. I eat, sleep and breathe GREEN!! __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

01-19-2009, 11:22 PM	#15 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: no more t-5's ????? I can tell you one thing about crowns.. I have one and it's my FAVORITE tooth! I wish they were ALL just like that one Of course it wasn't cheap but it's a FINE piece of workmanship and well worth the $$$ and effort he spent on it. My hat's off to you Doc __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

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