how do you feed one fish seperately?

x17x11x · 12-31-2008, 09:39 AM

ok i understand file fish are extremely hard to feed because they are like sea hoarses and pipe fish. but when i feed a file fish what is my best bet, im planning on brine shrimp in a turkey bastor but i wanna hear other oponions please (food type and how to do it)?

Tru2nr · 12-31-2008, 09:47 AM

get a bunch of SPS corals and let him pick at them....filefish are notorious sps eaters and they do it for substance not just because they can....sps to a file fish is like an all you can eat buffet lol they are extremely hard to care fore and really should only be handled by experts or people with alot of money to burn on SPS corals but thats if you can get them to eat alot of them won't eat they do not have a good survival rate

ReefLady · 12-31-2008, 10:26 AM

What Tru2nr said is true - they will almost never accept "feedings" and typically die within a couple months of being introduced to a captive system. The only chance of success is to have a very large sps system where they can constantly "munch" on the acropora polyps.

Here's a decent article on them:

Files Not Meant For Your Toolbox (or Reef Aquarium!): The Genus Pervagor by Henry C. Schultz III - ReefKeeping.com

BigAl07 · 12-31-2008, 10:41 AM

Josh think long and hard about this one buddy. This is one heck of a tough one to keep alive long term. I'm not saying you CAN'T do it but I'm saying you need to seriously think long about it. Few people have any success and fewer still with long term success.

With that said... (time to straddle the fence sort of)... if it weren't for previous "experimenters" trying to keep the "Shouldn't keeps" we wouldn't have some of the wonderful (and now easy to care for) animals in our systems. But at the same time the people who have brought us so far have a VAST amount of experience and a wealth of kowledge to be able to act and react to any given problems they encounter.

I guess what I'm saying is it's ok to "experiment" when you gain the level of knowledge and experience to where you "Know" most of the answers to begin with or at least have a solid foundation to work and build upon.

Talk about "Talking in circles".....

x17x11x · 12-31-2008, 12:50 PM

i have alot of soft corals but is he going to kill them to the point i wont have anymore?

ReefLady · 12-31-2008, 12:56 PM

They eat only Acropora polyps (sps). The fish won't eat your soft corals (may pick at them and bother them), but without Acropora, the fish is likely going to starve to death. Do you have sps or just soft corals?

x17x11x · 12-31-2008, 01:17 PM

i dont know what the difference is but i wouyld guess both seeing how i have lps too its just a big mixture of corals in my reef i really dunno what i have

ReefLady · 12-31-2008, 01:31 PM

Soft corals and LPS are not the same as Acropora. Acropora require very high lighting, and have no soft "flesh" - they are often referred to as "sticks" - they look a lot like branches. A couple pics:

Many different colors and formations, but that's the general idea.

BigAl07 · 12-31-2008, 01:46 PM

I love STICKS!!

Tru2nr · 12-31-2008, 04:11 PM

mmmm i got an idea lets play pick up sticks reeflady goes out and frags a bunch of acro's drops them in a tank and me and al see just how many we can pick up and put into a cooler to take home in 30secs....everybody wins..well maybe not reeflady but i bet it would be fun

BigAl07 · 12-31-2008, 04:13 PM

I like your idea Tru

Tru2nr · 12-31-2008, 04:16 PM

haha yeah well you know everyonce and a while even a blind squirrel finds a nut

lcstorc · 12-31-2008, 04:27 PM

and Al is certainly a nut.

BigAl07 · 12-31-2008, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lcstorc

and Al is certainly a nut.

That reminds me of an old saying "Takes on to know one

"

lcstorc · 12-31-2008, 04:35 PM

Ummm
I never claimed to be normal.

12-31-2008, 09:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
x17x11x Star Polyps Join Date: May 2008 Location: new york Posts: 164 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	how do you feed one fish seperately? ok i understand file fish are extremely hard to feed because they are like sea hoarses and pipe fish. but when i feed a file fish what is my best bet, im planning on brine shrimp in a turkey bastor but i wanna hear other oponions please (food type and how to do it)? __________________ Josh

12-31-2008, 09:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
Tru2nr Reef Lobster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,299 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: how do you feed one fish seperately? get a bunch of SPS corals and let him pick at them....filefish are notorious sps eaters and they do it for substance not just because they can....sps to a file fish is like an all you can eat buffet lol they are extremely hard to care fore and really should only be handled by experts or people with alot of money to burn on SPS corals but thats if you can get them to eat alot of them won't eat they do not have a good survival rate __________________ My 55g Chronical of addiction... Mistakes Have been made in the past.....still trying to clean up from them in the present....mistakes will be made in the future.....so what do we do?...... we party until we make another mistake!!!! WARNING: Corals in Tank, Add Crabs at own risk

12-31-2008, 10:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
ReefLady Tridacna maxima Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 4,590 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: how do you feed one fish seperately? What Tru2nr said is true - they will almost never accept "feedings" and typically die within a couple months of being introduced to a captive system. The only chance of success is to have a very large sps system where they can constantly "munch" on the acropora polyps. Here's a decent article on them: Files Not Meant For Your Toolbox (or Reef Aquarium!): The Genus Pervagor by Henry C. Schultz III - ReefKeeping.com __________________ ~ Teri -------- "You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice." ~(currently tankless)~ Our 180g sps tank / DIY adventure (taken down in late 2006): Our 180g DIY Reef Project ---What's next????

12-31-2008, 10:41 AM	#4 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: how do you feed one fish seperately? Josh think long and hard about this one buddy. This is one heck of a tough one to keep alive long term. I'm not saying you CAN'T do it but I'm saying you need to seriously think long about it. Few people have any success and fewer still with long term success. With that said... (time to straddle the fence sort of)... if it weren't for previous "experimenters" trying to keep the "Shouldn't keeps" we wouldn't have some of the wonderful (and now easy to care for) animals in our systems. But at the same time the people who have brought us so far have a VAST amount of experience and a wealth of kowledge to be able to act and react to any given problems they encounter. I guess what I'm saying is it's ok to "experiment" when you gain the level of knowledge and experience to where you "Know" most of the answers to begin with or at least have a solid foundation to work and build upon. Talk about "Talking in circles"..... __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

12-31-2008, 12:50 PM	#5 (permalink)
x17x11x Star Polyps Join Date: May 2008 Location: new york Posts: 164 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: how do you feed one fish seperately? i have alot of soft corals but is he going to kill them to the point i wont have anymore? __________________ Josh

12-31-2008, 12:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
ReefLady Tridacna maxima Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 4,590 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: how do you feed one fish seperately? They eat only Acropora polyps (sps). The fish won't eat your soft corals (may pick at them and bother them), but without Acropora, the fish is likely going to starve to death. Do you have sps or just soft corals? __________________ ~ Teri -------- "You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice." ~(currently tankless)~ Our 180g sps tank / DIY adventure (taken down in late 2006): Our 180g DIY Reef Project ---What's next????

12-31-2008, 01:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
x17x11x Star Polyps Join Date: May 2008 Location: new york Posts: 164 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: how do you feed one fish seperately? i dont know what the difference is but i wouyld guess both seeing how i have lps too its just a big mixture of corals in my reef i really dunno what i have __________________ Josh

12-31-2008, 01:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
ReefLady Tridacna maxima Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 4,590 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: how do you feed one fish seperately? Soft corals and LPS are not the same as Acropora. Acropora require very high lighting, and have no soft "flesh" - they are often referred to as "sticks" - they look a lot like branches. A couple pics: Many different colors and formations, but that's the general idea. __________________ ~ Teri -------- "You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice." ~(currently tankless)~ Our 180g sps tank / DIY adventure (taken down in late 2006): Our 180g DIY Reef Project ---What's next????

12-31-2008, 01:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: how do you feed one fish seperately? I love STICKS!! __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

12-31-2008, 04:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Tru2nr Reef Lobster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,299 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: how do you feed one fish seperately? mmmm i got an idea lets play pick up sticks reeflady goes out and frags a bunch of acro's drops them in a tank and me and al see just how many we can pick up and put into a cooler to take home in 30secs....everybody wins..well maybe not reeflady but i bet it would be fun __________________ My 55g Chronical of addiction... Mistakes Have been made in the past.....still trying to clean up from them in the present....mistakes will be made in the future.....so what do we do?...... we party until we make another mistake!!!! WARNING: Corals in Tank, Add Crabs at own risk

12-31-2008, 04:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: how do you feed one fish seperately? I like your idea Tru __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

12-31-2008, 04:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tru2nr Reef Lobster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,299 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: how do you feed one fish seperately? haha yeah well you know everyonce and a while even a blind squirrel finds a nut __________________ My 55g Chronical of addiction... Mistakes Have been made in the past.....still trying to clean up from them in the present....mistakes will be made in the future.....so what do we do?...... we party until we make another mistake!!!! WARNING: Corals in Tank, Add Crabs at own risk

12-31-2008, 04:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 26,433 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: how do you feed one fish seperately? and Al is certainly a nut. __________________ Peace LYNN Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Lynn's frag tank experiment A reef tank is like a race car. The faster you go the harder you crash.

12-31-2008, 04:35 PM	#15 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 26,433 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: how do you feed one fish seperately? Ummm I never claimed to be normal. __________________ Peace LYNN Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Lynn's frag tank experiment A reef tank is like a race car. The faster you go the harder you crash.

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