New Rocks!

chriswho · 10-17-2008, 07:06 AM

Sorry It's so long.

Ok... So I'm about to order some much needed LR. I'm short probably around 20-30 lbs. and I have some that has close to no pores at all that I want to ditch. Sooo... I'm going to order 40lbs. from Reef Cleaners. On their website it says that there is no need to cycle these rocks. This is contrary to everything I've read here on RS, so I e-mailed them and asked them why I shouldn't have to cycle. In their response they tell me that the reason for cycling is to get rid of any die off that may occur. They tell me that these rocks come from a reef that does not exist anymore, and that all rocks have been through a thourough cleaning process. I'm still wondering whether I should go through the whole cycling process??? Anyone care to give their opinions... Also if I should cycle, can I do it inside? It's awfully cold outside here lately, and I don't know that the rocks would get verry "baked", or "cooked" if I put them in a tote outside. I thought of piling all the rocks into a spare 10 gallon that's lying around, and throwing in a powerhead. I would change the water once a week along with my tank water.

Also I've been having trouble with brown algae lately. Some of it is diatoms, and for a while I had some Dynos that I fear may be coming back. Will the new rocks I'm going to add help me rid my tank of these? I only feed every other day, and the lights are only on for 8 hrs. I run an Aqua C with the Rio 1400. Thanks in advance for all your input and I'm sorry again that this is such a long question.

Octoman · 10-17-2008, 07:55 AM

The rock that reef cleaners sells is not live rock. It is base rock which means it is just rock with no live stuff on it. There shouldn't be a cycle with this rock because there is nothing on it to die off. However, some base rocks need to be "cured" or "cooked" because they have a buildup of organics in the rock that can leach out into the tank in the form of nitrates and/or phosphates. I'm not sure if that is the case with reefcleaners rock.

chriswho · 10-17-2008, 08:00 AM

That was my thinking... I thought I might should go ahead and do a cycle, or "cook" them for a bit, but the guy said they went through a cleaning process, so I wasn't sure whether or not it would be necessary.

chriswho · 10-17-2008, 09:03 AM

Anyone else?

faust · 10-17-2008, 09:49 AM

with what i've been through. i wouldn't chance anything. chris you don't want to come home to dead fish.

BigAl07 · 10-17-2008, 10:15 AM

I put a HUGE amount of faith in what John (at Reef Cleaners) has to say. This is Reef Rock but it's not rock that has any LIFE on it at all. It's clean as can be. It will make GREAT live rock once it's seeded in a tank.

If I were replacing rock or starting a new tank I wouldn't hesitate buying from John and putting it directly into my tank. That's just me though.

chriswho · 10-17-2008, 10:26 AM

Thanks Big Al... I was hoping you would chime in on this one! Faust, I'm real sorry again to hear of your recent troubles...

faust · 10-17-2008, 10:31 AM

its cool. i just need to take a few steps back and slowdown. just hyper paranoid for the time being

BigAl07 · 10-17-2008, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by faust

its cool. i just need to take a few steps back and slowdown. just hyper paranoid for the time being

Hey buddy... after the week you've had.. that's not paranoid.. that's EXPECTED!! Hang in there!! You've got a GREAT (well pretty good anyway) support group here to help.

Chris no problem. It's all good

10-17-2008, 07:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
chriswho Cabbage Leather Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 395 View Gallery Karma Komment	New Rocks! Sorry It's so long. Ok... So I'm about to order some much needed LR. I'm short probably around 20-30 lbs. and I have some that has close to no pores at all that I want to ditch. Sooo... I'm going to order 40lbs. from Reef Cleaners. On their website it says that there is no need to cycle these rocks. This is contrary to everything I've read here on RS, so I e-mailed them and asked them why I shouldn't have to cycle. In their response they tell me that the reason for cycling is to get rid of any die off that may occur. They tell me that these rocks come from a reef that does not exist anymore, and that all rocks have been through a thourough cleaning process. I'm still wondering whether I should go through the whole cycling process??? Anyone care to give their opinions... Also if I should cycle, can I do it inside? It's awfully cold outside here lately, and I don't know that the rocks would get verry "baked", or "cooked" if I put them in a tote outside. I thought of piling all the rocks into a spare 10 gallon that's lying around, and throwing in a powerhead. I would change the water once a week along with my tank water. Also I've been having trouble with brown algae lately. Some of it is diatoms, and for a while I had some Dynos that I fear may be coming back. Will the new rocks I'm going to add help me rid my tank of these? I only feed every other day, and the lights are only on for 8 hrs. I run an Aqua C with the Rio 1400. Thanks in advance for all your input and I'm sorry again that this is such a long question. __________________ Nobody, as long as he moves about among the chaotic currents of life, is without trouble. -Carl Jung 55g 35#LR, 55#LS, 4x65w PC, 2 Koralia PH's, Remora Pro HOB skimmer, 1 Oscellaris clown,1 Yellow tailed Damsel, 2 Clarkii Clowns, Assorted color Zoo's, Green frilly mushrooms, Flower pot coral, Orange sponge, Candy cane Coral.

10-17-2008, 07:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
Octoman 8 left feet... Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: West Haven, CT Posts: 1,960 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: New Rocks! The rock that reef cleaners sells is not live rock. It is base rock which means it is just rock with no live stuff on it. There shouldn't be a cycle with this rock because there is nothing on it to die off. However, some base rocks need to be "cured" or "cooked" because they have a buildup of organics in the rock that can leach out into the tank in the form of nitrates and/or phosphates. I'm not sure if that is the case with reefcleaners rock. __________________ Mark My tank thread... Octoman's 55 gallons of euphoria Tank build... 55 Construction

10-17-2008, 08:00 AM	#3 (permalink)
chriswho Cabbage Leather Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 395 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: New Rocks! That was my thinking... I thought I might should go ahead and do a cycle, or "cook" them for a bit, but the guy said they went through a cleaning process, so I wasn't sure whether or not it would be necessary. __________________ Nobody, as long as he moves about among the chaotic currents of life, is without trouble. -Carl Jung 55g 35#LR, 55#LS, 4x65w PC, 2 Koralia PH's, Remora Pro HOB skimmer, 1 Oscellaris clown,1 Yellow tailed Damsel, 2 Clarkii Clowns, Assorted color Zoo's, Green frilly mushrooms, Flower pot coral, Orange sponge, Candy cane Coral.

10-17-2008, 09:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
chriswho Cabbage Leather Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 395 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: New Rocks! Anyone else? __________________ Nobody, as long as he moves about among the chaotic currents of life, is without trouble. -Carl Jung 55g 35#LR, 55#LS, 4x65w PC, 2 Koralia PH's, Remora Pro HOB skimmer, 1 Oscellaris clown,1 Yellow tailed Damsel, 2 Clarkii Clowns, Assorted color Zoo's, Green frilly mushrooms, Flower pot coral, Orange sponge, Candy cane Coral.

10-17-2008, 09:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
faust over caffinated reefer Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: chandler, ok Posts: 751 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New Rocks! with what i've been through. i wouldn't chance anything. chris you don't want to come home to dead fish. __________________ [color="Magenta"]80 bow front, 2x 250 m/h 4 54watt t5 actinics, 1 65 watt pc 50/50 reef 175 bow front, 3x 150 m/h 4 96 watt pc 50/50 fowlr duellin 125's

10-17-2008, 10:15 AM	#6 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New Rocks! I put a HUGE amount of faith in what John (at Reef Cleaners) has to say. This is Reef Rock but it's not rock that has any LIFE on it at all. It's clean as can be. It will make GREAT live rock once it's seeded in a tank. If I were replacing rock or starting a new tank I wouldn't hesitate buying from John and putting it directly into my tank. That's just me though. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

10-17-2008, 10:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
chriswho Cabbage Leather Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 395 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: New Rocks! Thanks Big Al... I was hoping you would chime in on this one! Faust, I'm real sorry again to hear of your recent troubles... __________________ Nobody, as long as he moves about among the chaotic currents of life, is without trouble. -Carl Jung 55g 35#LR, 55#LS, 4x65w PC, 2 Koralia PH's, Remora Pro HOB skimmer, 1 Oscellaris clown,1 Yellow tailed Damsel, 2 Clarkii Clowns, Assorted color Zoo's, Green frilly mushrooms, Flower pot coral, Orange sponge, Candy cane Coral.

10-17-2008, 10:31 AM	#8 (permalink)
faust over caffinated reefer Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: chandler, ok Posts: 751 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New Rocks! its cool. i just need to take a few steps back and slowdown. just hyper paranoid for the time being __________________ [color="Magenta"]80 bow front, 2x 250 m/h 4 54watt t5 actinics, 1 65 watt pc 50/50 reef 175 bow front, 3x 150 m/h 4 96 watt pc 50/50 fowlr duellin 125's

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