Adding a sump...need some help....

SunnyX · 04-04-2004, 06:07 PM

Ok, I am getting a sweet deal on a used Lifereef LF1-125 Berlin Sump with 24" Skimmer and a Dolphin Ampmaster 3000 pump . Only gonna pay $240 for it.

My tank is not Reef-Ready. What overflow's and stuff do i need to get.
Please List them.

Thank you.

BoomerD · 04-04-2004, 08:24 PM

How big is the tank? If it's less than 100 gallons, a LifeReef single overflow would be plenty. It should flow at about 700 gph. I think that's about the rating for the LF 125 anyway. I'd use the Ampmaster for a closed loop, since you're not going to be able to get nearly 3000 GPH from any overflow. There are a few plumbing nightmares with trying to get that much flow through any closed loop system, but it can be done. Maybe Pro-Builder cann offer some tips for bending PVC to make a suction tube that will work. You'd need 1 1/2" PVC in order to get anywhere close to enough to feed that pump.
I'd use something like a Mag 7 or 9.5 for the return pump from the sump. Does this come with the pump for the skimmer? See LifeReef for recommendations if not. You should stay with the pumps Jeff recommends, as they are what he tests the equipment with, and will probide you with the maximum efficiency for your skimmer.

What a sweet deal. I was looking at pretty much the same Lifereef set up a couple of months ago, without the Ampmaster, and the asking price was $500. + shipping.

jks1 · 04-04-2004, 08:43 PM

I second the 1.5" for the CL in. I run 2 MAG 24s on a split CL. I plumbed it all in w/ 3 1" inputs to the two pumps, but they really fought against each other. I had to run the pumps alternately to get some decent flow. Here's a pic of mine. Is it possible to get your tank drilled? If not do look at Pro_builders setup for an up and over..

wooddood · 04-04-2004, 09:11 PM

sunny like john said you dont have to drill the tank for a closed loop, as suggested by john look at troy's setup or look at mine. if i can help you just holler.

SunnyX · 04-04-2004, 09:48 PM

The tank is a 120gl. Thanks for the help guys. ill be back with more questions soon.

jks1 · 04-04-2004, 11:29 PM

sorry wood, forgot about yours, wasnt a conscious ommission...

wooddood · 04-05-2004, 08:48 AM

thats cool john.

04-04-2004, 06:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
SunnyX Scopas Tang Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dearborn,MI Posts: 429 View Gallery Karma Komment	Adding a sump...need some help.... Ok, I am getting a sweet deal on a used Lifereef LF1-125 Berlin Sump with 24" Skimmer and a Dolphin Ampmaster 3000 pump . Only gonna pay $240 for it. My tank is not Reef-Ready. What overflow's and stuff do i need to get. Please List them. Thank you. __________________ 225gl Starphire(60Lx36Wx24H) Reef Deltec AP851 GEO Calcium Reactor Sequence DART TUNZE 6100 Stream SEIO 1500 2xAquaclear 270 Powerheads 3x250w MH ROIII+ Pheonix 14K DE HQI *2x110w VHO URi Super Actinic

04-04-2004, 08:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
jks1 Achilles Tang Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Jacksonville, Fl Posts: 876 View Gallery Karma Komment	I second the 1.5" for the CL in. I run 2 MAG 24s on a split CL. I plumbed it all in w/ 3 1" inputs to the two pumps, but they really fought against each other. I had to run the pumps alternately to get some decent flow. Here's a pic of mine. Is it possible to get your tank drilled? If not do look at Pro_builders setup for an up and over.. __________________ John Tank: 29g glass Pumps: Mag5.0 return - (3) rio 100 PHs Lighting: (1) 150w XM 10K/(2) 30W actinics Equipment: Aqua C Urchin skimmer- CPR Fuge, Titanium Heater -Red Sea wavemaster Pro Tank: 210g 1/2" Acrylic, dual overflows, 75g glass sump w/ 20g fuge. Pumps: Mag24 return - (2) MAG24s running 2 closed loop systems. Lighting: (3) 400w XM 10K/(2) Custom Sealife 96w PC - 25w dimmable incandescent Moonlight Equipment: Aqua C EV180 skimmer - CR500 calc reactor - Titanium Heater - AquaLogic single Stage Temp Controller - Aquanetics 1/5Hp Chiller - Neptune sys aquacontroller

04-04-2004, 09:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
wooddood the wood dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: marion. INDIANA Posts: 3,457 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	sunny like john said you dont have to drill the tank for a closed loop, as suggested by john look at troy's setup or look at mine. if i can help you just holler. __________________ 120 gal/in wall tank/starboard substraight/2 250 watt 10k xm metal halides/ 4 55watt 03 actinics/150lbs lr/scwd on return/scwd on a closed loop/aquaclear aquatics 200 pro wetdry w/skimmer. ask all the questions you have if we cant answer it we'll make up some thing. remember patience is the key to a kick ass reef. dave.

04-04-2004, 09:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
SunnyX Scopas Tang Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dearborn,MI Posts: 429 View Gallery Karma Komment	The tank is a 120gl. Thanks for the help guys. ill be back with more questions soon. __________________ 225gl Starphire(60Lx36Wx24H) Reef Deltec AP851 GEO Calcium Reactor Sequence DART TUNZE 6100 Stream SEIO 1500 2xAquaclear 270 Powerheads 3x250w MH ROIII+ Pheonix 14K DE HQI *2x110w VHO URi Super Actinic

04-04-2004, 11:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
jks1 Achilles Tang Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Jacksonville, Fl Posts: 876 View Gallery Karma Komment	sorry wood, forgot about yours, wasnt a conscious ommission... __________________ John Tank: 29g glass Pumps: Mag5.0 return - (3) rio 100 PHs Lighting: (1) 150w XM 10K/(2) 30W actinics Equipment: Aqua C Urchin skimmer- CPR Fuge, Titanium Heater -Red Sea wavemaster Pro Tank: 210g 1/2" Acrylic, dual overflows, 75g glass sump w/ 20g fuge. Pumps: Mag24 return - (2) MAG24s running 2 closed loop systems. Lighting: (3) 400w XM 10K/(2) Custom Sealife 96w PC - 25w dimmable incandescent Moonlight Equipment: Aqua C EV180 skimmer - CR500 calc reactor - Titanium Heater - AquaLogic single Stage Temp Controller - Aquanetics 1/5Hp Chiller - Neptune sys aquacontroller

04-04-2004, 08:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
BoomerD Reef Shark Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,638 View Gallery Karma Komment	How big is the tank? If it's less than 100 gallons, a LifeReef single overflow would be plenty. It should flow at about 700 gph. I think that's about the rating for the LF 125 anyway. I'd use the Ampmaster for a closed loop, since you're not going to be able to get nearly 3000 GPH from any overflow. There are a few plumbing nightmares with trying to get that much flow through any closed loop system, but it can be done. Maybe Pro-Builder cann offer some tips for bending PVC to make a suction tube that will work. You'd need 1 1/2" PVC in order to get anywhere close to enough to feed that pump. I'd use something like a Mag 7 or 9.5 for the return pump from the sump. Does this come with the pump for the skimmer? See LifeReef for recommendations if not. You should stay with the pumps Jeff recommends, as they are what he tests the equipment with, and will probide you with the maximum efficiency for your skimmer. What a sweet deal. I was looking at pretty much the same Lifereef set up a couple of months ago, without the Ampmaster, and the asking price was $500. + shipping.

04-05-2004, 08:48 AM	#7 (permalink)
wooddood the wood dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: marion. INDIANA Posts: 3,457 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	thats cool john. __________________ 120 gal/in wall tank/starboard substraight/2 250 watt 10k xm metal halides/ 4 55watt 03 actinics/150lbs lr/scwd on return/scwd on a closed loop/aquaclear aquatics 200 pro wetdry w/skimmer. ask all the questions you have if we cant answer it we'll make up some thing. remember patience is the key to a kick ass reef. dave.

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