How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help

cheebman · 06-05-2008, 02:46 PM

hey,

my tank is 3 months old.. where i can see on the glass under the surface my sand is dirty in spots.. this is normal i assume.. can i just aggitate it or NO.. i was thinking of just moving it around to release the crap into the water to get filtered out.. or do i have to siphon it up..??

some if brown and some is a lil RED.. help

thanks guys

CAVINCA · 06-05-2008, 02:50 PM

Id just let it go. maybe add a couple snails to stir it. Stirring it to much could cause a cycle in your tank (ie. mixing it up by hand. vacuums imo are bad).

lcstorc · 06-05-2008, 02:50 PM

How deep is your sandbed?
If it is shallow 1-3 inches and particularly since it is so new, then you can stirr away. If it was an established deep sand bed then I would not touch it. Personally I don't worry about it. It would be too much of a pain to keep it always clean plus I like to watch the critters under the sand.
If you want you could get some sand stirring critters like nassarius snails and they will help some. Some people put molding on the bottom to cover it up.

cheebman · 06-05-2008, 02:59 PM

sounds good..

yeah i was thinking of getting some of those snails. at my LFS there $4 or $5 dollars a peice

but maybe ill try'em

lcstorc · 06-05-2008, 03:01 PM

That is way too much for them.
Reef Cleaners has them for $.55 each.
Get a whole crew from them and even with shipping it would be cheaper.

BigAl07 · 06-05-2008, 03:03 PM

a PIECE! Man you need to have a serious talk with them. I have the WORSE case pricing up here in the Mountains and it's not NEAR that!! Maybe they have them mislabeled or something.

cheebman · 06-05-2008, 03:11 PM

hey lcstorc , i see your from cocoa.. small world im from melbourne.. lets get together and trade some frags..

cheebman · 06-05-2008, 03:12 PM

dam, normally my LFS is pretty competitive when it comes to dry goods.. i look online and the u add shipping there right under normally but im not sure on live goods.. doesnt sound good

lcstorc · 06-05-2008, 03:32 PM

Actually they do free shipping in Florida for orders over $50. I am thinking about placing an order so since you are nearby you could add whatever to my order if you like.

cheebman · 06-05-2008, 03:45 PM

did u know that reef scavengers.com is owned my a young man like myself in satt. beach.. talk to him a few times but never did biusness

BoomerD · 06-05-2008, 03:45 PM

Reeftopia is usually another great resource for cleaning crew critters.

cheebman · 06-05-2008, 03:47 PM

hey Icstorc,

if we do meet up, ill take 4 of those snails.. i give you 5 buck or something.

rlcline76 · 06-05-2008, 03:50 PM

Well, while you are wheelin and dealin, are you sure it is the sand that is dirty? Might be algae on the glass, but nothing going on in the sand itself.

BoomerD · 06-05-2008, 03:52 PM

For a 28 gallon tank, you should have a LOT more than 4 snails...I've always believed in 1 to 2 snails per gallon, but some folks think that's overkill...
Which ever way you go, get a wide variety of species. Each has its niche in an aquarium and does better than others at certain tasks.

cheebman · 06-05-2008, 03:52 PM

its the sand.. i stirred it up a lil with a skewer and it flew away into the water

i have a ton of snails and crabs.. just not any that clean the sand (snails that is)

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cheebman Fire Coral Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 72 View Gallery Karma Komment	How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help hey, my tank is 3 months old.. where i can see on the glass under the surface my sand is dirty in spots.. this is normal i assume.. can i just aggitate it or NO.. i was thinking of just moving it around to release the crap into the water to get filtered out.. or do i have to siphon it up..?? some if brown and some is a lil RED.. help thanks guys __________________ *28gal BowFront Reef Tank* 250watt MetalHalide w/ 2 65watt Atinic blue PC's w/ 8 LED's 75gal capacity wet/dry w/prefilter/overflow box magdrive 700 Hydor Koralia 1 coralife super skimmer (protien skimmer) 23 pounds of live rock 15 pounds live sand --- 2 clown fish --- 1) purple/orange ridicola mush, 3) frilly-lavender w/ green tips mush's, Burgandy w/ green mouth Zoo's, Purple/pink Zoo's, 2) medium silver branching xenia, 1) small pom pom xenia, green star polyps, Pink devils hand Leather, 1) Small green brain, 2) Green stipped mushrooms, 2) Huge Umbrella Mushrooms, 2 tipped torch coral 2in each, 3 Tipped Green/purple Frog Spawn-Huge, 1 feather duster, 4 Purple Bumpy Mushrooms

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CAVINCA Harlequin Tuskfish Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 964 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help Id just let it go. maybe add a couple snails to stir it. Stirring it to much could cause a cycle in your tank (ie. mixing it up by hand. vacuums imo are bad). __________________ Chronicle Marina del Filon de los Carlos (CLOSED) Carl's 55 Gallon Underwater Inn CARL

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lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 26,433 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help How deep is your sandbed? If it is shallow 1-3 inches and particularly since it is so new, then you can stirr away. If it was an established deep sand bed then I would not touch it. Personally I don't worry about it. It would be too much of a pain to keep it always clean plus I like to watch the critters under the sand. If you want you could get some sand stirring critters like nassarius snails and they will help some. Some people put molding on the bottom to cover it up. __________________ Peace LYNN Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Lynn's frag tank experiment A reef tank is like a race car. The faster you go the harder you crash.

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cheebman Fire Coral Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 72 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help sounds good.. yeah i was thinking of getting some of those snails. at my LFS there $4 or $5 dollars a peice but maybe ill try'em __________________ *28gal BowFront Reef Tank* 250watt MetalHalide w/ 2 65watt Atinic blue PC's w/ 8 LED's 75gal capacity wet/dry w/prefilter/overflow box magdrive 700 Hydor Koralia 1 coralife super skimmer (protien skimmer) 23 pounds of live rock 15 pounds live sand --- 2 clown fish --- 1) purple/orange ridicola mush, 3) frilly-lavender w/ green tips mush's, Burgandy w/ green mouth Zoo's, Purple/pink Zoo's, 2) medium silver branching xenia, 1) small pom pom xenia, green star polyps, Pink devils hand Leather, 1) Small green brain, 2) Green stipped mushrooms, 2) Huge Umbrella Mushrooms, 2 tipped torch coral 2in each, 3 Tipped Green/purple Frog Spawn-Huge, 1 feather duster, 4 Purple Bumpy Mushrooms

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lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 26,433 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help That is way too much for them. Reef Cleaners has them for $.55 each. Get a whole crew from them and even with shipping it would be cheaper. __________________ Peace LYNN Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Lynn's frag tank experiment A reef tank is like a race car. The faster you go the harder you crash.

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BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,547 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help a PIECE! Man you need to have a serious talk with them. I have the WORSE case pricing up here in the Mountains and it's not NEAR that!! Maybe they have them mislabeled or something. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

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cheebman Fire Coral Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 72 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help hey lcstorc , i see your from cocoa.. small world im from melbourne.. lets get together and trade some frags.. __________________ *28gal BowFront Reef Tank* 250watt MetalHalide w/ 2 65watt Atinic blue PC's w/ 8 LED's 75gal capacity wet/dry w/prefilter/overflow box magdrive 700 Hydor Koralia 1 coralife super skimmer (protien skimmer) 23 pounds of live rock 15 pounds live sand --- 2 clown fish --- 1) purple/orange ridicola mush, 3) frilly-lavender w/ green tips mush's, Burgandy w/ green mouth Zoo's, Purple/pink Zoo's, 2) medium silver branching xenia, 1) small pom pom xenia, green star polyps, Pink devils hand Leather, 1) Small green brain, 2) Green stipped mushrooms, 2) Huge Umbrella Mushrooms, 2 tipped torch coral 2in each, 3 Tipped Green/purple Frog Spawn-Huge, 1 feather duster, 4 Purple Bumpy Mushrooms

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cheebman Fire Coral Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 72 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help dam, normally my LFS is pretty competitive when it comes to dry goods.. i look online and the u add shipping there right under normally but im not sure on live goods.. doesnt sound good __________________ *28gal BowFront Reef Tank* 250watt MetalHalide w/ 2 65watt Atinic blue PC's w/ 8 LED's 75gal capacity wet/dry w/prefilter/overflow box magdrive 700 Hydor Koralia 1 coralife super skimmer (protien skimmer) 23 pounds of live rock 15 pounds live sand --- 2 clown fish --- 1) purple/orange ridicola mush, 3) frilly-lavender w/ green tips mush's, Burgandy w/ green mouth Zoo's, Purple/pink Zoo's, 2) medium silver branching xenia, 1) small pom pom xenia, green star polyps, Pink devils hand Leather, 1) Small green brain, 2) Green stipped mushrooms, 2) Huge Umbrella Mushrooms, 2 tipped torch coral 2in each, 3 Tipped Green/purple Frog Spawn-Huge, 1 feather duster, 4 Purple Bumpy Mushrooms

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lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 26,433 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help Actually they do free shipping in Florida for orders over $50. I am thinking about placing an order so since you are nearby you could add whatever to my order if you like. __________________ Peace LYNN Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Lynn's frag tank experiment A reef tank is like a race car. The faster you go the harder you crash.

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cheebman Fire Coral Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 72 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help did u know that reef scavengers.com is owned my a young man like myself in satt. beach.. talk to him a few times but never did biusness __________________ *28gal BowFront Reef Tank* 250watt MetalHalide w/ 2 65watt Atinic blue PC's w/ 8 LED's 75gal capacity wet/dry w/prefilter/overflow box magdrive 700 Hydor Koralia 1 coralife super skimmer (protien skimmer) 23 pounds of live rock 15 pounds live sand --- 2 clown fish --- 1) purple/orange ridicola mush, 3) frilly-lavender w/ green tips mush's, Burgandy w/ green mouth Zoo's, Purple/pink Zoo's, 2) medium silver branching xenia, 1) small pom pom xenia, green star polyps, Pink devils hand Leather, 1) Small green brain, 2) Green stipped mushrooms, 2) Huge Umbrella Mushrooms, 2 tipped torch coral 2in each, 3 Tipped Green/purple Frog Spawn-Huge, 1 feather duster, 4 Purple Bumpy Mushrooms

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BoomerD Reef Shark Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,638 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help Reeftopia is usually another great resource for cleaning crew critters. __________________ Intelligence is not knowing all the answers, but knowing where and how to find them! www.google.com

06-05-2008, 03:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
cheebman Fire Coral Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 72 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help hey Icstorc, if we do meet up, ill take 4 of those snails.. i give you 5 buck or something. __________________ *28gal BowFront Reef Tank* 250watt MetalHalide w/ 2 65watt Atinic blue PC's w/ 8 LED's 75gal capacity wet/dry w/prefilter/overflow box magdrive 700 Hydor Koralia 1 coralife super skimmer (protien skimmer) 23 pounds of live rock 15 pounds live sand --- 2 clown fish --- 1) purple/orange ridicola mush, 3) frilly-lavender w/ green tips mush's, Burgandy w/ green mouth Zoo's, Purple/pink Zoo's, 2) medium silver branching xenia, 1) small pom pom xenia, green star polyps, Pink devils hand Leather, 1) Small green brain, 2) Green stipped mushrooms, 2) Huge Umbrella Mushrooms, 2 tipped torch coral 2in each, 3 Tipped Green/purple Frog Spawn-Huge, 1 feather duster, 4 Purple Bumpy Mushrooms

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rlcline76 Manta Ray Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,646 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help Well, while you are wheelin and dealin, are you sure it is the sand that is dirty? Might be algae on the glass, but nothing going on in the sand itself.

06-05-2008, 03:52 PM	#14 (permalink)
BoomerD Reef Shark Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,638 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help For a 28 gallon tank, you should have a LOT more than 4 snails...I've always believed in 1 to 2 snails per gallon, but some folks think that's overkill... Which ever way you go, get a wide variety of species. Each has its niche in an aquarium and does better than others at certain tasks. __________________ Intelligence is not knowing all the answers, but knowing where and how to find them! www.google.com

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cheebman Fire Coral Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 72 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: How to put this? sand is getting dirty under surface. help its the sand.. i stirred it up a lil with a skewer and it flew away into the water i have a ton of snails and crabs.. just not any that clean the sand (snails that is) __________________ *28gal BowFront Reef Tank* 250watt MetalHalide w/ 2 65watt Atinic blue PC's w/ 8 LED's 75gal capacity wet/dry w/prefilter/overflow box magdrive 700 Hydor Koralia 1 coralife super skimmer (protien skimmer) 23 pounds of live rock 15 pounds live sand --- 2 clown fish --- 1) purple/orange ridicola mush, 3) frilly-lavender w/ green tips mush's, Burgandy w/ green mouth Zoo's, Purple/pink Zoo's, 2) medium silver branching xenia, 1) small pom pom xenia, green star polyps, Pink devils hand Leather, 1) Small green brain, 2) Green stipped mushrooms, 2) Huge Umbrella Mushrooms, 2 tipped torch coral 2in each, 3 Tipped Green/purple Frog Spawn-Huge, 1 feather duster, 4 Purple Bumpy Mushrooms

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