MH & protein skimmer ?

reefnut · 03-25-2008, 07:38 PM

Hi guys I'm going to be upgrading from a 65 gal to a 110 gal 48x18x30 soon.
I will have soft corals, lps and clams, and I'm looking for a good MH system. do the HQI DE bulbs put out as much heat as the SE bulbs? how many watts would you guys recommend for this size tank?? I am also looking at
ASM skimmer what size do you guys think i should get with this type of setup?

PEMfish · 03-25-2008, 07:40 PM

G1 or G2 depending on bio load an sensitivity of animals.

DaveK · 03-25-2008, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefnut

... do the HQI DE bulbs put out as much heat as the SE bulbs? how many watts would you guys recommend for this size tank?? ...

Usually DE bulbs tend to put out more heat. This is because they are usually used in much smaller fixtures, and the fixtures do not tend to use cooling fans.

I don't think there is a major difference between SE or DE bulbs as far as the reef itself goes, but each has some minor advantages and disadvantages.

Since you want clams, I would use two 250w MHs. You could possibly use some actinic supplemental lighting, but this is more a matter of preference, rather than a requirement.

burning2nd · 03-25-2008, 08:06 PM

im a fan of my sunpods.... ither 2x250 or 2x150... and if your in to 6 footers... then the 3x250 and 2x150...

but Im happy...

Adam Black · 03-25-2008, 08:13 PM

48 inches is pretty long for just 2 MH. You might get away with only 2-250 MH if using a wide rating reflector like lumenarc. Even then I would recommend Vho or t-5 to cover the dark spots.

burning2nd · 03-25-2008, 08:37 PM

30 deep?

owch...

kimoy · 03-25-2008, 09:39 PM

I would go with the 120 (48x24x24) instead of the 110. you will have more depth for aquascaping. and regarding the lights I would suggest 2x250 MH and supplement it with T5HO

Snelly40 · 03-25-2008, 09:40 PM

i agree, 2 250w MH's will be good, and i have an ASM G3 on my tank and it is great!!!

burning2nd · 03-26-2008, 06:15 AM

i would stay away from anything more then 26" deep-28

the deeper it is.. the harder its gonna be to get light to the bottem...

lcstorc · 03-26-2008, 09:55 AM

Each halide is going to cover 2 feet of tank space so a 48 inch fixture with 2 mh would be the way to go. I have 150w DE bulbs and love them but have never had SE bulbs so I cannot compare. I can say that mine did come with 2 fans to help with the heat but they do still increase the temp dramatically.
As far as the skimmer, I would go with the biggest ASM you can fit in the stand. I have a g4+ on my 125. Works great and when I upgrade I already have the skimmer for the new tank. Really you would be fine with a G2 unless you overfeed etc.

Jammin · 03-27-2008, 06:06 PM

I agree with Kimoy on the tank size...used to have a 120 and was very glad I went with the wider tank. It was lit with 2 250 watt Halides and 2 vho actinics. I had clams down on the sand and they florished under the 250's. If you decide to stick with your 30" high tank absolutley get the 250 watt set up!

reefnut · 03-28-2008, 12:41 PM

So you guys dont think I would have to go with 400 watt MH like my LFS told me,because I would much perfur the 250's.

Frankie · 03-28-2008, 12:50 PM

400 will fry your tank. on a 110 you could do 2x175 easy. 250w will be great for it.

PEMfish · 03-28-2008, 05:26 PM

burning2nd · 03-28-2008, 05:55 PM

2x250 Good To Go

03-25-2008, 07:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
reefnut Ricordea Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 186 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	MH & protein skimmer ? Hi guys I'm going to be upgrading from a 65 gal to a 110 gal 48x18x30 soon. I will have soft corals, lps and clams, and I'm looking for a good MH system. do the HQI DE bulbs put out as much heat as the SE bulbs? how many watts would you guys recommend for this size tank?? I am also looking at ASM skimmer what size do you guys think i should get with this type of setup?

03-25-2008, 07:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
PEMfish Manta Ray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 3,048 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: MH & protein skimmer ? G1 or G2 depending on bio load an sensitivity of animals. __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef chronicle; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

03-25-2008, 08:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
burning2nd Golden Moray Join Date: May 2006 Location: PA Posts: 2,287 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: MH & protein skimmer ? im a fan of my sunpods.... ither 2x250 or 2x150... and if your in to 6 footers... then the 3x250 and 2x150... but Im happy... __________________ ________________________________________________ 30g, 10g DIY sump w/ mag7 Csr90 over flow. 36" sunpod 2x150 2 Tunze 6020 40 Lb's Live Rock 20 lb's of Ls Aqua C REmora mIxed reef, softies, pora's, clams, 1 Amphiprion ocellaris (hosting GTA) jake the jedi sexy shrimp, and brown bob

03-25-2008, 08:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
Adam Black Plate Coral Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: CA Posts: 729 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: MH & protein skimmer ? 48 inches is pretty long for just 2 MH. You might get away with only 2-250 MH if using a wide rating reflector like lumenarc. Even then I would recommend Vho or t-5 to cover the dark spots.

03-25-2008, 08:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
burning2nd Golden Moray Join Date: May 2006 Location: PA Posts: 2,287 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: MH & protein skimmer ? 30 deep? owch... __________________ ________________________________________________ 30g, 10g DIY sump w/ mag7 Csr90 over flow. 36" sunpod 2x150 2 Tunze 6020 40 Lb's Live Rock 20 lb's of Ls Aqua C REmora mIxed reef, softies, pora's, clams, 1 Amphiprion ocellaris (hosting GTA) jake the jedi sexy shrimp, and brown bob

03-25-2008, 09:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
kimoy Sea Pen Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 338 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: MH & protein skimmer ? I would go with the 120 (48x24x24) instead of the 110. you will have more depth for aquascaping. and regarding the lights I would suggest 2x250 MH and supplement it with T5HO __________________ 1.20 G pico RR with 2 megaflow kits, aqua c EV180 with mag12, 2x250 DE 12k halides with 2x54 T5 actinic+, 30G phlenum fuge with chaeto, iwaki 55rlt return pump connected to a sea swirl, 4 tunze 6025 inside the main tank for water circulation (2 are modded) 3 Koralias PH(2 #4's and 1 #3) sps,lps,zoas,softies,pink tip BTA tangs - yellow, unicorn, blue hippo, palini and RS Purple Blue Spot Jaw Fish red lyretail anthias pair of spotted mandarin goby wrasse - yellow corris scribble rabbit fish Clown Fish -3 percula high fin shrimp goby clean up crew - various snails and crabs, red linkia star And a 30G AGA softies with clown & diamond head goby

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Snelly40 Manta Ray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 3,098 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: MH & protein skimmer ? i agree, 2 250w MH's will be good, and i have an ASM G3 on my tank and it is great!!! __________________ Snelly's 90gal Reef-O-Rama *Member-"Crabs Are Evil" Society*

03-26-2008, 06:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
burning2nd Golden Moray Join Date: May 2006 Location: PA Posts: 2,287 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: MH & protein skimmer ? i would stay away from anything more then 26" deep-28 the deeper it is.. the harder its gonna be to get light to the bottem... __________________ ________________________________________________ 30g, 10g DIY sump w/ mag7 Csr90 over flow. 36" sunpod 2x150 2 Tunze 6020 40 Lb's Live Rock 20 lb's of Ls Aqua C REmora mIxed reef, softies, pora's, clams, 1 Amphiprion ocellaris (hosting GTA) jake the jedi sexy shrimp, and brown bob

03-26-2008, 09:55 AM	#10 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 26,433 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: MH & protein skimmer ? Each halide is going to cover 2 feet of tank space so a 48 inch fixture with 2 mh would be the way to go. I have 150w DE bulbs and love them but have never had SE bulbs so I cannot compare. I can say that mine did come with 2 fans to help with the heat but they do still increase the temp dramatically. As far as the skimmer, I would go with the biggest ASM you can fit in the stand. I have a g4+ on my 125. Works great and when I upgrade I already have the skimmer for the new tank. Really you would be fine with a G2 unless you overfeed etc. __________________ Peace LYNN Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Lynn's frag tank experiment A reef tank is like a race car. The faster you go the harder you crash.

03-27-2008, 06:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
Jammin Tunicate Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Columbia Hgts,Mn Posts: 16 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: MH & protein skimmer ? I agree with Kimoy on the tank size...used to have a 120 and was very glad I went with the wider tank. It was lit with 2 250 watt Halides and 2 vho actinics. I had clams down on the sand and they florished under the 250's. If you decide to stick with your 30" high tank absolutley get the 250 watt set up!

03-28-2008, 12:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
reefnut Ricordea Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: FLORIDA Posts: 186 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: MH & protein skimmer ? So you guys dont think I would have to go with 400 watt MH like my LFS told me,because I would much perfur the 250's.

03-28-2008, 05:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
PEMfish Manta Ray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 3,048 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: MH & protein skimmer ? __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef chronicle; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

03-28-2008, 05:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
burning2nd Golden Moray Join Date: May 2006 Location: PA Posts: 2,287 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: MH & protein skimmer ? 2x250 Good To Go __________________ ________________________________________________ 30g, 10g DIY sump w/ mag7 Csr90 over flow. 36" sunpod 2x150 2 Tunze 6020 40 Lb's Live Rock 20 lb's of Ls Aqua C REmora mIxed reef, softies, pora's, clams, 1 Amphiprion ocellaris (hosting GTA) jake the jedi sexy shrimp, and brown bob

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