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Old 11-05-2007, 11:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Frogspawn questions

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I have a Frogspawn coral that has four "heads" each head has its own mouth. Do these four heads equal one coral or are they all seperate creatures?

What do I feed my Frogspawn? Its/their mouths are the same size as my button polyps mouths. I read online that they like shrimp. Last night I tried to give it some shrimp (small pieces) but it couldnt hold on to it. I tried to help it , but it kept on dropping it.(all the heads kept on doing this). I also read that I could feed them brine shrimp, but I remember reading a while ago that brine shrimp have no nutritional value.

Do Frogspawn coral eat Zooplankton?

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Old 11-05-2007, 11:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Frogspawn questions

Each "head" is it's own animal and once it's large enough to frag you can sell-trade each one.

Don't try to feed them. They are mostly photosynthetic (food comes from LIGHT) and the rest is just gathered from what's left over during tank feedings.

Just maintain GREAT water and medium high to high lighting and your FrogSpawn will grow like crazy.
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Frogspawn questions

Actually Al (with all due respect of course) Euphyllias do enjoy meaty food supplements from time to time. They do host Zooxanthellia but need zooplankton or other meaty foods to really thrive. Try mysid instead of brine shrimp, and mine love oystereggs.
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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No disrespect taken buddy. I agree that they DO enjoy it but for the most part people who TRY to feed them end up over feeding the tank. It's very hit & miss with all of the Euphies (about 95% miss actually) so it's been commonly accepted that using a "mush mix" will provide enough meaty particles in the water column to take care of any meaty needs of the Euphies.

I use Mysis in my tank and on very RARE occasion I see the smal tail of one slipping into the mouth but the mouth seems to really respond nicely to Cyclopeeze which is floating in the water column.
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You bet! they love cyclopeze.. It's a hoot to watch mine "grab it and growl" as they say.
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:49 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I have used the turkey baster to spot feed mysis shrimp to mine. I have to be careful to make sure my skunk shrimp has some already or he will go in digging looking for it.
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Re: Frogspawn questions

Since we are on the subject and this info will all help Munki.

What should we extrapolate from the data if our euphy does not grab food or is not sticky? That it is happy and well fed from it's symbiotic zooplankton?
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Old 11-06-2007, 02:03 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Frogspawn questions

I would say that all of the heads equal one coral until you cut them apart...like flowers on a bush. I'm going with photosynthetic and filter feeder. I do have pics of mine eating a big hunk of scallop though.
I have felt my frog both sticky and not sticky.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:04 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I would say that all of the heads equal one coral until you cut them apart...like flowers on a bush. I'm going with photosynthetic and filter feeder. I do have pics of mine eating a big hunk of scallop though.
I have felt my frog both sticky and not sticky.
they are PART of a whole but in response to this particular question I call them individual because other than a calcium exoskeleton they have no other connection after a certain period. They don't share food or anything else once the "head" becomes mature. Now at WHAT stage that happens I don't know but I have cut seemingly young "heads" and they were totally un-connected from the rest of the coral except for the stony exterior.
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:56 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Re: Frogspawn questions

thanks guys- a few more ?'s

I have never seen my Frogs sweepers. I read that they come out a t night. I have moonlights and I am always looking at night, but I have still never seen them.

Also, I have my frogspawn coral placed right next to my bubble coral. This is OK right? I read somewhere that these two coral can be placed next to each other. they both seem to be doing pretty good.

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They only send out sweepers when they "sense" other corals close enough to sting. Even WITH other corals close by I rarely SEE the sweepers but I see the results so don't WAIT on seeing them to make changes.

No the bubble and FrogSpawn are not "buddies". My understanding is the ONLY corals that get along with FrogSpawn are others of the same family Euphyllia which includes: FrogSpawn, Torch, and Hammer.Anchor corals. Anything else might get stung or sting the froggie.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:27 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Frogspawn questions

I have frogspawn only two heads but i also have about 30 heads of hammer,non of them are sticky,but they must be getting suffiecent nutrion thrue the light!Now my seabae is a dif.story i fed it a silverside thismorning and got my finger stuck to it.lol
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:44 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I've never noticed any of my "Euphies" to be sticky at all. But since I have had some fairly substantial "reactions" to contact with them I have tried to LIMIT my contact with them on a skin level.
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Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!

Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change.
Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC*.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian)
This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%.

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Old 11-06-2007, 10:22 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: Frogspawn questions

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Hello-
I have a Frogspawn coral that has four "heads" each head has its own mouth. Do these four heads equal one coral or are they all seperate creatures?

What do I feed my Frogspawn? Its/their mouths are the same size as my button polyps mouths. I read online that they like shrimp. Last night I tried to give it some shrimp (small pieces) but it couldnt hold on to it. I tried to help it , but it kept on dropping it.(all the heads kept on doing this). I also read that I could feed them brine shrimp, but I remember reading a while ago that brine shrimp have no nutritional value.

Do Frogspawn coral eat Zooplankton?

Thank you
Big meaty pieces of food are best. Not REAL big but maybe pea size. I feed mine once every week / couple of weeks. While they are mostly photosynthetic, they will benefit from supplemental feedings. Feeding them everyday would likely pollute the tank and serve no benefit. I'm not sure why yours is "dropping" the food, unless it's too big. Mine sense food immediately, grab on, and swallow it

As all corals, they are opportunistic and get food only when it becomes available in the wild. I just don't like it when people say that they don't, without a doubt, have to have food. I had someone at a fish store tell me that before. That is incorrect. They would not have a way to intake food if this were the case. Many may not feed them in their tank, but they are getting additional nutrition from left over food / fish waste, or something.
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thanks guys- a few more ?'s

I have never seen my Frogs sweepers. I read that they come out a t night. I have moonlights and I am always looking at night, but I have still never seen them.

Also, I have my frogspawn coral placed right next to my bubble coral. This is OK right? I read somewhere that these two coral can be placed next to each other. they both seem to be doing pretty good.

Thanks again
I never saw sweepers on my frogspawn until it got big enough to rub up against another coral. Now it seems to send them out every day.
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