just out of curiosity

swissgaurd · 06-27-2007, 09:39 PM

i added a jug of miracle mu approx 5yrs ago never changed it or topped up,ive kept 2 mangrove plants alive during this time. ive got no phosphates .
i was wondering could the miracle mud absorb phosphates.

anyone else that uses miracle mud have 0 phosphates

i totally forgot about the mud.

vic

sasquatch · 06-27-2007, 09:57 PM

wow Vic thats a deep subject lol, short of taking a sample of the mud and some ro/di water and doing the shake it up test ???? always wondered about mangrove, with the minimal leaf growth how effective are they.? Steve

swissgaurd · 06-27-2007, 10:07 PM

thats worth a try
i could also test for nitrates cuz i got 0 as well.

but only 2 " deep ,lol.

mps9506 · 06-28-2007, 05:34 AM

DSB hold phosphates, they eventually fill up and you start getting algae.
I wouldn't rely on anything that I didn't plan on replacing for removing phosphates.
I would suspect it's more likely that the mangroves are exporting your PO4, as well as Mg.

boozeman · 06-28-2007, 08:17 AM

can you take a few samples of the mud using an eye dropper. make sure you take the sample from within the mud bed, not just the surface. Then test it with a good kit. I am curious as to the results

prow · 06-28-2007, 08:25 AM

one thing i know is that MM contains a lot of Fe+. forgot what compounds its in. i tried MM for one year and had nitrate and phos issues, it was the nitrates that made me stop using it. i know some have used it and like it. the thing for me about MM is you dont know where it came from and what it is made of. there have been those that had it tested but i have seen very different results from test to test. who knows, but seems like each bag contains a different mix, based on the test i have seen. like Mike said if its some kind of media than it will get exhausted and leach unless replaced. maybe thats way MM says to replace the mud yearly. i also think perhaps the mangroves are exporting your phos and the Fe+ in the mud is helping the groves grow. but with MM unless you have it tested you never know whats in it.

boozeman · 06-28-2007, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prow

one thing i know is that MM contains a lot of Fe+.

hmmmmm,,,isn't phosphate removing media just granulated ferric oxide?

.....oh Boomer !!!

prow · 06-28-2007, 08:52 AM

yeah thats why i mentioned it. not sure though. here is a link about Fe but even this says Fe without macros can increase micros. the coverting from Fe1 to Fe2 or Fe3 and the use of each in aglae is not really understood. then we dont know if its inorganic or organic Fe. a lot of unknowns here. free Fe is more known, Fe compounds has not been tested as much.

ooppsss forgot the link,lol; Chemistry and the Aquarium

swissgaurd · 06-28-2007, 10:57 AM

i took 1 tbsp of sand mixed it with a cup of saltwater
phosphates :3ppm salifert test doesnt go any higher

nitrate: 0
the mud was taken from the root of the mangrove plants.

the mangroves must be living off the phosphates in the mud

so if i get an algae bloom it could be because i disturbed the mud a little

vic

mps9506 · 06-28-2007, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boozeman

hmmmmm,,,isn't phosphate removing media just granulated ferric oxide?

.....oh Boomer !!!

Yup.
But it does get full thats why you do eventually have to remove it and replace it.
Just remember how many people thought DSB's "magically" made your nitrates disappear? You can only input so much into a closed system.

06-27-2007, 09:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
swissgaurd Scopas Tang Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: mississauga,canada Posts: 420 View Gallery Karma Komment	just out of curiosity i added a jug of miracle mu approx 5yrs ago never changed it or topped up,ive kept 2 mangrove plants alive during this time. ive got no phosphates . i was wondering could the miracle mud absorb phosphates. anyone else that uses miracle mud have 0 phosphates i totally forgot about the mud. vic __________________ BOTH TANKS ON PRODIBO 82 gallon mixed reef,in sump chaeto,mangroves refuge.dual 250 watt 12K reeflux, in a PFO pendant powered by icecaps,2x 110 VHO actinics/ ice caps.approx.70 lbs indo rock.tunze top up system. junior MTC calcium reactor.ASM G2 skimmer,SWISSGAURD, powder blue tang,mated pair of GSM's,multicolor angel,green wrasse,purple fire goby,blue eye tang,ocean tang,in the sump:mated pair of oc's,mated pair of black darwin clowns,sps,zoos,softies,frogspawn,mushrooms,candyc ane,maxima clam,xenia, nass.,astrea snails,serpant,brittle stars,sea cucumbers 90 gal diamond, T5 lighting,berlin classic skimmer, 50lbs fiji live rock,tons of frogspawn,yellow tang,4 black saddlebacks,mated pair pink skunks,3 true percs,ocean tang. both tanks running on redsea pro.

06-27-2007, 09:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,917 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: just out of curiosity wow Vic thats a deep subject lol, short of taking a sample of the mud and some ro/di water and doing the shake it up test ???? always wondered about mangrove, with the minimal leaf growth how effective are they.? Steve __________________ castawayreefers.com

06-27-2007, 10:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
swissgaurd Scopas Tang Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: mississauga,canada Posts: 420 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: just out of curiosity thats worth a try i could also test for nitrates cuz i got 0 as well. but only 2 " deep ,lol. __________________ BOTH TANKS ON PRODIBO 82 gallon mixed reef,in sump chaeto,mangroves refuge.dual 250 watt 12K reeflux, in a PFO pendant powered by icecaps,2x 110 VHO actinics/ ice caps.approx.70 lbs indo rock.tunze top up system. junior MTC calcium reactor.ASM G2 skimmer,SWISSGAURD, powder blue tang,mated pair of GSM's,multicolor angel,green wrasse,purple fire goby,blue eye tang,ocean tang,in the sump:mated pair of oc's,mated pair of black darwin clowns,sps,zoos,softies,frogspawn,mushrooms,candyc ane,maxima clam,xenia, nass.,astrea snails,serpant,brittle stars,sea cucumbers 90 gal diamond, T5 lighting,berlin classic skimmer, 50lbs fiji live rock,tons of frogspawn,yellow tang,4 black saddlebacks,mated pair pink skunks,3 true percs,ocean tang. both tanks running on redsea pro.

06-28-2007, 05:34 AM	#4 (permalink)
mps9506 Totally stoked dude Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 7,518 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: just out of curiosity DSB hold phosphates, they eventually fill up and you start getting algae. I wouldn't rely on anything that I didn't plan on replacing for removing phosphates. I would suspect it's more likely that the mangroves are exporting your PO4, as well as Mg. __________________ Mike "The Bandwith Bandit" Help Build Reefpedia Premium Membership Available! Support Reef Sanctuary Sponsors

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boozeman The CodFather ~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: new york Posts: 8,800 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: just out of curiosity can you take a few samples of the mud using an eye dropper. make sure you take the sample from within the mud bed, not just the surface. Then test it with a good kit. I am curious as to the results __________________ ...and when I'm old and wise little things mean little to me like autumn winds they'll blow right through me and someday, in the mist of time when they ask you if you knew me remember that you were a friend of mine

06-28-2007, 08:25 AM	#6 (permalink)
prow Tridacna maxima Join Date: May 2005 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 4,260 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: just out of curiosity one thing i know is that MM contains a lot of Fe+. forgot what compounds its in. i tried MM for one year and had nitrate and phos issues, it was the nitrates that made me stop using it. i know some have used it and like it. the thing for me about MM is you dont know where it came from and what it is made of. there have been those that had it tested but i have seen very different results from test to test. who knows, but seems like each bag contains a different mix, based on the test i have seen. like Mike said if its some kind of media than it will get exhausted and leach unless replaced. maybe thats way MM says to replace the mud yearly. i also think perhaps the mangroves are exporting your phos and the Fe+ in the mud is helping the groves grow. but with MM unless you have it tested you never know whats in it. __________________ "He who sees things grow from their beginnings shall have the finest view of them" ........Aristotle........ "The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad." - Salvador Dali my chronicle........ http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...al-system.html my clamicle..........http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...my-tank-d.html

06-28-2007, 08:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
prow Tridacna maxima Join Date: May 2005 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 4,260 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: just out of curiosity yeah thats why i mentioned it. not sure though. here is a link about Fe but even this says Fe without macros can increase micros. the coverting from Fe1 to Fe2 or Fe3 and the use of each in aglae is not really understood. then we dont know if its inorganic or organic Fe. a lot of unknowns here. free Fe is more known, Fe compounds has not been tested as much. ooppsss forgot the link,lol; Chemistry and the Aquarium __________________ "He who sees things grow from their beginnings shall have the finest view of them" ........Aristotle........ "The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad." - Salvador Dali my chronicle........ http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...al-system.html my clamicle..........http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...my-tank-d.html

06-28-2007, 10:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
swissgaurd Scopas Tang Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: mississauga,canada Posts: 420 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: just out of curiosity i took 1 tbsp of sand mixed it with a cup of saltwater phosphates :3ppm salifert test doesnt go any higher nitrate: 0 the mud was taken from the root of the mangrove plants. the mangroves must be living off the phosphates in the mud so if i get an algae bloom it could be because i disturbed the mud a little vic __________________ BOTH TANKS ON PRODIBO 82 gallon mixed reef,in sump chaeto,mangroves refuge.dual 250 watt 12K reeflux, in a PFO pendant powered by icecaps,2x 110 VHO actinics/ ice caps.approx.70 lbs indo rock.tunze top up system. junior MTC calcium reactor.ASM G2 skimmer,SWISSGAURD, powder blue tang,mated pair of GSM's,multicolor angel,green wrasse,purple fire goby,blue eye tang,ocean tang,in the sump:mated pair of oc's,mated pair of black darwin clowns,sps,zoos,softies,frogspawn,mushrooms,candyc ane,maxima clam,xenia, nass.,astrea snails,serpant,brittle stars,sea cucumbers 90 gal diamond, T5 lighting,berlin classic skimmer, 50lbs fiji live rock,tons of frogspawn,yellow tang,4 black saddlebacks,mated pair pink skunks,3 true percs,ocean tang. both tanks running on redsea pro.

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