New oceanic salt - Page 2

Willmsbrg · 02-03-2004, 07:16 AM

Still waiting on My free sample as well.. I have seen the larger amounts for sale..

Hopefully, I can find the small size the coupon is for when/if I ever get it...

cheeks69 · 02-03-2004, 06:07 PM

If people continue with those readings I'll switch in a heartbeat. I'm just afraid if there's gonna be some problems mixing the salts

SaltySam · 02-03-2004, 07:02 PM

Sorry Cheeks, I didn't do any testing on the make up water. I tend to be a low tech reefer, don't do much testing unless things look bad. just try to be consistent with water changes.
I wondered too about mixing the salts, seems like I remember some folks having a bad experience with that before. I guess somebody has got to be the giunea pig.

StoneyReef · 02-03-2004, 07:10 PM

mixing salts does not make any sense. What kind of salt do the shippers keep their animals in? How about your LFS? Then you put them in your alien tank environment! I think the whole mixing salts stuff is a bunch of hooey!

cheeks69 · 02-03-2004, 07:28 PM

Well what do you suggest ?? If you want to try a different brand of salt that performs better how would you go about doing it ?

Witfull · 02-03-2004, 07:33 PM

i have switch brands rather frequently without negative results (depending on whats available when i need it and how much is in my pocket...lol) ...but when i do a H2O change its no more than 15-20%. this is what i would recommend to anyone switching brands for a specific reason.

StoneyReef · 02-03-2004, 08:09 PM

As in I mean, I do not think mixing salts would have any effect whatsoever on the critters since obviously not everyone who stores and transports the animals uses the exact same salt. If using different salts were an issue don't you think the animal would immediately die when placed in a tank using a different brand of salt than what the LFS or the transshipper used?

Craig Manoukian · 02-03-2004, 08:23 PM

Very good point Stoney and I agree wholeheartedly! I want the biggest bang for my buck up front with maximum consistency. ME2 has done that for me.

Money is not an issue to me when it comes to the biggest environmemntal issue to the animals. I don't have any extemporanious equipment, ie. dosers or calc reactors, so I get everything I can up front and then perform regular water changes.

Salt is the most important expenditure for me. Price only matters if all things are equal.

cheeks69 · 02-03-2004, 08:40 PM

I think StoneyReef if you talk to Michael G. Moye's (64Ivy) you will find that not only him but many others had serious problems specifically with their SPS corals because of the MIXING of certain salt brands.

wooddood · 02-04-2004, 07:11 AM

i agree with cheeks i remember 64ivy having problems with this salt switching issue.i say if it aint broke dont fix it.

Craig Manoukian · 02-04-2004, 11:48 AM

How did 64 Ivy determine oe test to ensure that the challenges were from switching salt? Could it have been a bad salt batch? Just asking because I have never seen any major mortality rates at the LFS and they use all kinds of different salts whaen they do their continual water changes.

Pro_builder · 02-04-2004, 12:10 PM

every salt brand has different substances in it. Some are high in lithium or nitrates or phosphates. When you switch your salt completely, not dilute it with a water change, then you could have a problem. But, when you switch in a water change you are only going to change the amount of certain properties very little.
Just my 2 cents

Craig Manoukian · 02-04-2004, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pro_builder
When you switch your salt completely, not dilute it with a water change, then you could have a problem. But, when you switch in a water change you are only going to change the amount of certain properties very little.
Just my 2 cents

I agree! My LFS does a 25% water cange every couple of days.

Scooterman · 02-04-2004, 12:35 PM

I noticed that IO has little undissolved clumps in it, if it wasn't for that I'd be ok with it. I tried a free mix from the salt thread over at rag , he gave me 4 25g bag mixes, so I made a few small water changes and my corals had bad reactions to it, my alk and ca went out of balance. I made no other changes and tested before and after, not pointing fingers but just giving warning to go slow with changes like this.

Craig Manoukian · 02-04-2004, 12:52 PM

Ye old bad batch of salt! Great point about testing before adding Scott!

02-03-2004, 06:07 PM	#17 (permalink)
cheeks69 Wannabe Guru Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,388 View Gallery Karma Komment	If people continue with those readings I'll switch in a heartbeat. I'm just afraid if there's gonna be some problems mixing the salts __________________ Robert My Cube “A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” Albert Einstein

02-03-2004, 07:28 PM	#20 (permalink)
cheeks69 Wannabe Guru Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,388 View Gallery Karma Komment	Well what do you suggest ?? If you want to try a different brand of salt that performs better how would you go about doing it ? __________________ Robert My Cube “A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” Albert Einstein

02-03-2004, 08:23 PM	#23 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 19,012 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Very good point Stoney and I agree wholeheartedly! I want the biggest bang for my buck up front with maximum consistency. ME2 has done that for me. Money is not an issue to me when it comes to the biggest environmemntal issue to the animals. I don't have any extemporanious equipment, ie. dosers or calc reactors, so I get everything I can up front and then perform regular water changes. Salt is the most important expenditure for me. Price only matters if all things are equal. __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

02-03-2004, 08:40 PM	#24 (permalink)
cheeks69 Wannabe Guru Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northeast Posts: 7,388 View Gallery Karma Komment	I think StoneyReef if you talk to Michael G. Moye's (64Ivy) you will find that not only him but many others had serious problems specifically with their SPS corals because of the MIXING of certain salt brands. __________________ Robert My Cube “A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” Albert Einstein Last edited by cheeks69 : 02-07-2004 at 04:48 PM.

02-04-2004, 07:11 AM	#25 (permalink)
wooddood the wood dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: marion. INDIANA Posts: 3,457 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	i agree with cheeks i remember 64ivy having problems with this salt switching issue.i say if it aint broke dont fix it. __________________ 120 gal/in wall tank/starboard substraight/2 250 watt 10k xm metal halides/ 4 55watt 03 actinics/150lbs lr/scwd on return/scwd on a closed loop/aquaclear aquatics 200 pro wetdry w/skimmer. ask all the questions you have if we cant answer it we'll make up some thing. remember patience is the key to a kick ass reef. dave.

02-03-2004, 07:16 AM	#16 (permalink)
Willmsbrg Midas Blenny Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Hanover, Pa Posts: 122 View Gallery Karma Komment	Still waiting on My free sample as well.. I have seen the larger amounts for sale.. Hopefully, I can find the small size the coupon is for when/if I ever get it...

02-03-2004, 07:02 PM	#18 (permalink)
SaltySam Tubeworm Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: S.C. Posts: 39 View Gallery Karma Komment	Sorry Cheeks, I didn't do any testing on the make up water. I tend to be a low tech reefer, don't do much testing unless things look bad. just try to be consistent with water changes. I wondered too about mixing the salts, seems like I remember some folks having a bad experience with that before. I guess somebody has got to be the giunea pig.

02-03-2004, 07:10 PM	#19 (permalink)
StoneyReef No Longer a Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 243 View Gallery Karma Komment	mixing salts does not make any sense. What kind of salt do the shippers keep their animals in? How about your LFS? Then you put them in your alien tank environment! I think the whole mixing salts stuff is a bunch of hooey!

02-03-2004, 08:09 PM	#22 (permalink)
StoneyReef No Longer a Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 243 View Gallery Karma Komment	As in I mean, I do not think mixing salts would have any effect whatsoever on the critters since obviously not everyone who stores and transports the animals uses the exact same salt. If using different salts were an issue don't you think the animal would immediately die when placed in a tank using a different brand of salt than what the LFS or the transshipper used?

02-04-2004, 11:48 AM	#26 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 19,012 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	How did 64 Ivy determine oe test to ensure that the challenges were from switching salt? Could it have been a bad salt batch? Just asking because I have never seen any major mortality rates at the LFS and they use all kinds of different salts whaen they do their continual water changes. __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

02-04-2004, 12:10 PM	#27 (permalink)
Pro_builder DIY Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Oxford, Iowa Posts: 1,746 View Gallery Karma Komment	every salt brand has different substances in it. Some are high in lithium or nitrates or phosphates. When you switch your salt completely, not dilute it with a water change, then you could have a problem. But, when you switch in a water change you are only going to change the amount of certain properties very little. Just my 2 cents __________________ -Troy 180 gallon Reef, 3- 250 XM 15K MH Electronic ballast, 380 watts VHO Actinics, 2- 5 watt LED Moon lights, 100 gal rubbermaid sump, 75 gallon Fuge, ETSS 600 Skimmer, 4700-5400 gph pump for return, Octopus 3000 controller, Iwaki 40 RL skimmer pump, 2- 65w PC 10K fuge lights, 2 55 gallon barrels, Custom light oak stand and hood, misc pumps, extra 600 gallon rated tank size protein skimmer. Purple tang, yellow tang, pacific blue tang, 2 green chromis, 1 Sand sifting star, snails, hermit crabs, 2 mated perculas, pulsing Xenia, Anenome, mushrooms, ricordia, zoanthids, kenya tree 1 1/2" tall, misc other hitchhiker stuff. DIY is my dream... ...well OK the only way I can afford this Addiction!! Just as the light goes on in my head... ... I break the bulb!!

02-04-2004, 12:35 PM	#29 (permalink)
Scooterman Elegance coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lafayette, Louisiana Posts: 1,239 View Gallery Karma Komment	I noticed that IO has little undissolved clumps in it, if it wasn't for that I'd be ok with it. I tried a free mix from the salt thread over at rag , he gave me 4 25g bag mixes, so I made a few small water changes and my corals had bad reactions to it, my alk and ca went out of balance. I made no other changes and tested before and after, not pointing fingers but just giving warning to go slow with changes like this. __________________ Scott Ardoin (Ard-Dwan)

02-04-2004, 12:52 PM	#30 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 19,012 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Ye old bad batch of salt! Great point about testing before adding Scott! __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

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