The MANTIS Shrimp Club!

[goldenmean]

Barb they like meaty foods.
I work at a restaurant so I get some fresh squid and cut it in small pieces and freeze small portions in RO water. Then I just thaw out a cube about twice a week to feed them fresh calamari.

Here is a couple of shots of #1

[BarbMazz]

How about a small piece of raw deli shrimp? I have some of that on hand... just thaw it and rinse/soak in RO? Stick it on the end of a skewer or hold it in my handy-dandy tongs?

[BEELZEBOB]

yea, thats fine.

i would reccomend soaking the delishrimp (or any raw food) w/ some garlic or seclone for added nutrients!!!

[vdituri]

Originally Posted by fishnu

I hereby swear to uphold the constitution and bylaws of the Mantis Shrimp club, so help me God. Amen. Play ball!

Hey Bob,
Can we make this our official oath. lol I loce it.

[BarbMazz]

Originally Posted by BEELZEBOB

yea, thats fine.

i would reccomend soaking the delishrimp (or any raw food) w/ some garlic or seclone for added nutrients!!!

I have both of those things! Gourmet dinner for <un-named> mantis coming right up. I'll let you know if I was able to get him to eat from a skewer or tongs.

Hey, some more FUN coming right up.

[BEELZEBOB]

also, just as a side note precation, Dr. Roy Cauldwell reccomends that we diversify a mantis' diet as much as possible, suplementing these foods w/ garlic and seaclone.

[BarbMazz]

Originally Posted by BEELZEBOB

also, just as a side note precation, Dr. Roy Cauldwell reccomends that we diversify a mantis' diet as much as possible, suplementing these foods w/ garlic and seaclone.

K, noted! Now that I have some living things in the tank I'll be getting in a variety of meaty goodies.

[fishnu]

OK, just threw some roasted garlic bruschetta in the tank. Seaclone next week.

[BarbMazz]

Yum! That sounds good.

[BarbMazz]

This morning I rinsed and soaked a piece of deli shrimp in RO/DI water, then added selcon and a drop of extreme garlic... let it soak for some minutes.
Held it with some tongs out in front of Ms Mantis' den and she came right out and wrestled it out of the tongs!

WAY COOL!

I need a name for a Tuff Ms Mantis.

[goldenmean]

I need a name for a Tuff Ms Mantis.

How about Barb, or Junior.
No wait I got it --- Barbarella.
Jane Fonda is always tuff and there is a theme song by Duran Duran

[fishnu]

Simantha Prims?

[PEMfish]

Hate to barge in on an off topic note but I an planning on getting a mantis. My new tank ( La Box De Opciones ) has a dual fuge witch is a little excessive for the setup. So one fuge will become the mantis tank.
It is a 17"x 13"x 10"tall 10g made from .22" acrylic. Weather its cell cast like it should be or not I have no clue.
I don't know what species I will get. It has to be moderately to easy to care for, small enough for the room provided, and inexpensive enough to buy. Suggestions?
Also I am worried about the tank. what are some recommended precautions to take? Line it with .1" acrylic?

[BEELZEBOB]

unless you get one of 3 species of smashers, all of which are too big for your described set up, you wont have to worry about any glass breakage.

is suggest a small gonodactylus species, or like a small spearer like a P. Cileate (sp?)

hold up...

[BEELZEBOB]

Originally Posted by BEELZEBOB

SOOOOOOOOOOO

in reply to like 10 mantis shrimp pm's on another forum i wrote this. (dont hate me)

but it can do some good here to.

this is like my first attempt at an informative post. maybe so,e day i will be like Melev!




Stomatopods. Gods most effective killing machines.

Y’all know these guys as mantis shrimp.

You know, the weird lil inverts that look like the result of praying mantis taking advantage of an inebriated rock lobster?

Now, when it comes to mantis shrimp, they are most commonly known as the last possible thing that you would ever want in a reef tank. Its every reefers nightmare to have a hitch-hiker in their LR that will slowly eradicate every living creature in the tank.

Common belief, but not necessarily true. Very understandable, especially being that some fish and inverts can cost the hobbyist hundreds of dollars.

This is actually how I first got wind of the whole “mantis tank idea.”
I first learned of these little critters existence from the discovery channel. It was a special on marine predators chock full of mantis shrimp footage from the wild and, the labs of the infamous, genius, studly stud known as Dr. Roy Cauldwell (formal introduction later.)

I was intrigued to say the least. But like most animals that id ever consider keeping, it seemed out of reach, cruel, and not possible.
Now lets flash forward like 18 months. I had a 75 gal brackish tank and questions. Low and behold I discover AC, RS, RC, RF, SWF, DARC, RMRC, and many other online forums. (all of which I have shoed myself in as like, a resident. )

Any-who, I’m messing around one day and I see somebody’s rant about their triumph over this evil 4 inches of critter that they tortured alive before putting in bleach.

Now, said individual lost a great deal of livestock to a spearer mantis. Like $500.00 plus. He added 35 lbs LR to his existing set up. Needless to say, it came with a HH mantis.

So immediately after the hippie in me lashed out at this guy and I was “removed” from that specific forum, all I had were questions.

Like whoa, you can find these things? Where? Can they be kept? What do I need? Where do I get one? Ohh man I was excited.

So this is like July 06. From that point forward it was all research baby!!!!

And by Nov. I had a tank w/ water, 28lbs LR and sand. And now a year and a half from the initial inspiration, I have a full blown mantis reef tank.


BUT, on almost a daily basis, I am seeing many people confused, or simply misinformed about these lil critters. SOOOOOOOOOOOO here is BOBs most commonly asked questions about mantis shrimp.

1.Can my mantis shrimp break glass?

That Depends.
There are two types of mantis shrimp. Spearers and smashers. The raptorial appendage on speares looks like the arm of a praying mantis on steroids. This flashes out faster than you can blink and does a substantial amount of damage.

On smasheres, the rapitorial appendage is like a club that smashes the exoskeleton or shell of their pray. (this is also the fastest movement of any living organism.

Check this out.
YouTube - Sheila Patek: Measuring the fastest animal on earth

But back to the original question Out of the hundreds of species of mantis, there are only a few species that get large enough to do so. These are ; Odontodactylus scyllarus, Gonodactylaceus ternatensis, Gonodactylaceus graphurus, Gonodactylaceus chiragra and Hemisquilla californiensis.

2.Can I keep fish and other creatures in the same tank?

Again, that’s like adult diapers, it depends.
See you have to take into account that spearer mantis shrimp eat fish and mobile inverts like shrimp and crabs. Smashers Focus on consuming snails, hermits, clams and other small crustations and gastropods. But this is not to say a spearer wont kill a snail, and a smasher wont kill a fish.
Mantis’ are very personable.
Each individual mantis has its own specific and unique lil personality. Some are wusses, strait up. Wont eat or kill nuthin that isn’t fed to them, hide in their rock or borough all day and tolerate every living creature in their tank.

Others will simply be mean and aggressive. They will kill anything that moves, even if just for sport. Then there is everything in between. So really, there is no way to say for sure you can keep this with these mantis’ and these with those.

So my suggestion would be to not get the mantis fish shrimp and other critters all at the same time. Rather get the mantis in his nice new fully cycled home, and add things slowly to see what it does.

Also keep in mind that manually feeding a mantis will reduce their motivation to go kill stuff. They’re kinda like people. If you train it to get fat and eat dead food for free, it wont leave its “couch.”

Or if you want it to be aggressive, don’t feed much, and provide ample amounts of live food.

3.Can I keep corals with a mantis shrimp?

Well for the most part, Darn tootin!!!!
Especially if its an intertidal species, they can handle all the light you need for corals. Some deepwater species of mantis will be an exception, because too much light can lead to shell disease and other complications.
It is best to “glue you colonies down to avoid them slipping falling, or being moved by the mantis. But in my personal experience, my turbo snail does more damage to my aquascaping then my mantis.

4.Can I keep more than one in the same tank?
99% no.
The one exception is a mated pair of Lysiosquillina maculate (which is rare and require a specialized tank…), or some uber rare exception. For the most part though 2 mantises in one is gonna be a battledome.

5.What do I feed this thing?
Meat.
well as far as frozens go; For all mantis shrimp, krill, mysis, silversides, brine, deli shrimp, and squid.
Live food for a spearer wood be like damsels, ghost shrimp (SW only), other shrimp, and maybe a small crab.
Smashers will like the shrimps, hermits, mythrax crabs, snails, and even fish.

5b Can I feed a mantis FW feeders?
Absolutely positively not.

6.Who was that Dr, Roy Guy?
Glad you asked.
Member Research Profile
Dr. Roy L. Caldwell is a Stomatopodiatrist, and has been researching these lil critters for like more than 30 years. He heads the Mantis shrimp forum on RC. Reef Central Online Community - Mantis Shrimp
Its very nice to get personal attention from someone with the amount of knowledge this guy has.

7.How do I tell what type of mantis I want/ already have?
Roy's List of Stomatopods for the Aquarium

8* Great. How do I get the POS out of my super expensive reef tank with thousands of dollars of fish?
Well, pest traps work very well, like the ones you can buy, or convince Doni from RS to loan you. Also a simple L-shaped piece of PVC with an endcap and food in one end works well, if you have the patience to watch it.


9 .I don’t have one, but want one, where do I get it.
Distributor of Mantis Shrimp, Corals, and other Invertebrates Also, when searching for a specific species, call all LFS in a 3 state radius, craigslist, and marine forums. You never know when youll want another reefers trash!!

ALSO!!!!!!! I cant think of everything y’all wonder/need to know. So like just ask. If I don’t know the answer off hand, I can show you where to find it.!