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| Tubeworm | I decided to do some research for a list of invertebrates that are considered "reef safe" here is the list: Starfish: Serpent sea star, orange sea star, tiger striped fancy sea star, blue linckia sea star, brittle star, double sea star, african red knob sea star, tamarisk sea star, sand sifting sea star, red sea star, marble sea star (with caution). Snails: Tiger cowrie snail (with caution), turbo snail, murex snail, fighting conch, nassarius snail, nerite snail, cerith snail, astraea snail, trochus snail, bumble bee snail, porcelain snail, red foot moon snail. Fan Worms: Hawaian feather duster, dwarf colored feather duster, giant feather duster, christmas tree worm, cluster duster. Scallops: Flame scallop, thorny oyster. Clams: Crocea clam, maxima clam, derasa clam, squamosa clam. Shrimps: Banded coral shrimp, blood red fire shrimp, peppermint shrimp, harlequin shrimp, bumble bee shrimp, saron shrimp, camel shrimp (with caution), bullseye pistol shrimp, sexy anemone shrimp, skunk/scarlet cleaner shrimp, camel shrimp, pistol shrimp. Urchins: Black longspine urchin, pencil urchin, banded longspine urchin (with caution), hairy pincushion urchin (with caution). Cucumbers: Sea cucumber, sea apple, yellow sea cucumber, black sea cucumber. Sponges: Breadcrumb sponge, tree sponge, yellow moon sponge, red ball sponge. Anemones: "Easier to keep ones" : Trumpet anemone, rock flower anemone, long tentacle anemone, magnificent anemone, bulb anemone, bubble tip anemone. Crabs: electric blue hermit crab, electric orange hermit crab, porcelain crab, dwarf leg hermit crab, dwarf blue leg hermit crab, scarlet reef hermit crab, pom pom crab. Im sure there are more that are reef safe but those are the common ones I found, also if anyone have had bad experiences with any of the ones I posted feel free to let us know. |
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| Acropora ![]() | Re: Reef Safe Invertebrate List I see a lot of things I wont let in my reef!!!!
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| Manta Ray | Re: Reef Safe Invertebrate List Let's see... porcelain crabs, urchins... will pick up polyps, snails, small frags, etc. and decorate themselves... I have heard that any "knobby" star is most likely NOT reef safe. Hermits... well that's a choice you'll have to make, they are very opportunistic feeders. And, I have also heard that only the red-legged ones are truly reef safe.
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| Acropora ![]() | Re: Reef Safe Invertebrate List hmmm lets see... Some of that stuff Ive never heard of ... but all those brittle stars to start with. They will hunt fish even the tiger serpent. I had one and caught him hunting one night Now he lives in the sump. Ive watched many of the others in LFS catch and kill fish. The red knob stars will eat soft corals, star fish, tube worms, clams and other inverts. Coral banded shrimp can become very territorial and aggressive killing other shrimp and fish. Camel shrimp can be very naughty. Sea cucumbers can let out toxin when they die... There was something bad about bumble bee snails but for the life of me I cant remember Only crabs I will let in my reef are scarlet hermits. The rest can be very opportunistic Especialy if they need a new shell. Although I must admit I want a pom pom crab they look really cool! Urchin can bulldoze stuff and be a general PITA Some eat all that nice corraline we all strive for... Thats off the top of my head
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| Manta Ray | Re: Reef Safe Invertebrate List Stars are great! It's just that some are not really reef or inhabitant friendly. Also, they are VERY delicate creatures that need an established system with a bunch of rock... or they will likely starve. Special care needs to be taken when acclimating them as well...
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| Ricordea | Re: Reef Safe Invertebrate List no stars with knobs or with big legs they can knock over your whole aquascape,and also eat the coral,,and they can easily pry open clams ,oysters etc..thats one of there fav. foods..camel back shrimps are pests when it comes to your small polypd frags they devour them..pistol shrimps can wipe out your whole snail population,some will argue,and some will agree but i know first hand the damage they can do to my pricey snails and tearing down my reef getting him out..NOT FUN..so why risk it for something that you'll hardly see anyway..pencil or slate urchins they have a tendency to prey on your sessile animals & mobile ones as well..sea apples can wipe out your whole tank if a rock were to come dislodged from a big star or urchin,he will release his toxins if crushed or threatned..RISKY BUT BEAUTIFUL..you could definately add a few more anemones to reef safe, or go the oppisite direction & say no anemones are reef safe since they are mobile & have a powerful sting that can wipe out preciouse corals..if you keep your sea star well fed you shouldnt have a problem, but there are arguments with this as well..mine is about 17 inches across,very well capable of catching any animal i have,again why risk it
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| Tubeworm | Re: Reef Safe Invertebrate List Yeah some inverts although might no harm directly your other animals they might indirectly by tossing a rock over something else and the death of it causing a contamination of your tank, and of course anemones are always a risk because they move and can sting whatever they touch. Ive even heard of clownfish killing corals when they are anemone-less and playing with coral s by carrying slime from one coral to another when they brush with them! Many times I imagine causes like this seem to be the cause of death of corals over short time. And it isnt that easy to notice what caused your coral to die when its by causes like these. As an example i got a chocolate chip star fish, today morning I found I was missing a polyp of clavularia that was lonely growing in one rock near the sand, only thing I can imagine is the star had some salad overnight the rest of my clavularia polyps at the top of the tank are perfectly fine seems it has no problems with LPS corals though. Probably im gonna have to move patrick to some LFS or a friend tank. |
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| Achilles Tang | Re: Reef Safe Invertebrate List Where did you get that list from? I had to take my Coral Banded Shrimp back to the LFS after he got too aggressive with my fish and goniopora. I had him for 10 months without any problems, then all of a sudden he went nutso! I started with a bunch of hermit crabs (blue-legged and scarlet). After decimating my snail population (from 20 down to 5) I moved them all to the fuge. A serpent starfish was one of my first additions with the cleaners. I haven't had any problems with him at all, except he disappears for weeks. Sometimes I completely forget he's in there.
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| Dragon Moderator ![]() | Re: Reef Safe Invertebrate List What is your definition of "reef safe"? This term is so variable that it's nearly useless. Most inverts that you could add to a tank have both good points and bad points. As mentioned, you need to use caution with any sort of seastar as they are oppertunistic feeders and can also hunt food down. Christmas Tree worms can be kept in a reef however you need to ensure tha they have host corals to live in, mainly porities I believe. Any sort of scallops shouldn't be added to a tank as they are extremely difficult to keep alive for any length of time. Many of the shrimp that you have on the list are or can be extremely aggressive such as the Banded Coral Shrimp, Harlequin Shrimp (Specialized feeders), and any of the pistol shrimp. They are all oppertinistic feeders and can pickon weak or dieing animals. Urchins should be introduced with caution, especially in acrylic tanks. They are good for eating algae however they are powerful creatures that can knock over corals and rocks if they aren't securely fastened. They can also eat corals if they don't have enough algae in the tank to feed on. In acrylic tanks they can easily scrape through the soft acrylic material while attempting to scrape the algae off. Sea Cucumbers are great filter feeders, however they can quickly pollute any tank if they are stressed. Many contain inks and natural poisons that can be released with stress or on death. They should be introduced to a tank with caution. Anemones can also be considered non reef safe as they will eat any fish or invert that wanders too close to them. They have powerful stings that can kill corals as well and they are mobile so you can't predict where or when they will decide to wander in a tank. Many people don't like having crabs in the tank because they can get very aggressive and even kill fish and other inverts, especially snails. I know there are a lot of people who claim that the redlegged or bluelegged ones are safe but they are still scavengers that will eat anything they can.
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I would avoid the saron, camel shrimp as they can eat soft corals. The BC shrimp can be aggressive with other shrimp and even chase fish away but is harmless with sessile inverts. The Pistol shrimp IME/O is harmless and beneficial particularly if you have a DSB. I have kept these shrimp on/off for years and have never seen them harm snails or hermits. If by any chance they enter his den he will pick them up with his claws and move them outside and it's actually comical to watch. Quote:
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Some like the Sea Apple can be dangerous in a reeftank and should be completely avoided not only because if stressed they can poison your tank but they're filter feeders and the amount and type of food they need is impossible to provide in a captive system. So before you add one do some research to make sure it's safe. Here's some good info: Quote:
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Just my 2 pennies.
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| Golden Moray | Re: Reef Safe Invertebrate List i dont know.... some of the stuff i dont know about.. other i dont even know what they are.... i have brittle star.. very cool very happy... likes to hold on to my figer when and if i get around him.... blue leg hermit crab's cooler then*&#^ to watch play, peppermint shrimp (butthead) just watch what you add, and do it slow... that way you can tell whats going on and what there doing
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