Help...help...

kenziro · 01-28-2007, 11:30 PM

Hi...all of you...thank's for welcome me in this RS...
My tank has 4 months old...
I've 5 anemonefish, 5 pipefish, 2 damsel, 2 manderin, 2 three spot domino, 2 striped damsel, 1 bicolor, 4 shrimp cleaner and 2 little star...
I've 1 sun coral, frogspawn, mushrooms, starpollyp and others(sorry i can't name all of it...i'm just beginner)
I've no chiller & skimmer and other test kits...the only thing i've is salt water meter, 2x20 watt lamps, pump...(poor me)

EMERGENCY...
In this 2 days...my corals become stress(can't bloom/open even my mushrooms)...but my fishes normal...
NOW I'M STESS TOO..
CAN SOMEONE HELP ME...WHAT HEPPENED TO MY CORALS...???

PhilOlsen · 01-28-2007, 11:38 PM

My guess is to much to soon and not enought light. With the tank only being 4 month old that is a lot of livestock, I have some questions about your set up.
1) what size is your tank?
2) are you running external filtration?
3) what are your water parameters?
4) how often due you do water changes?
5)do you use tap water?
6) do you have live rock in the tank?
My second guess is the nitrates are through the roof and should be addressed immediatley, do large water changes using RO/DI filtered water, get a good skimmer asap, you may also want to consider returning the corals to the LFS to get credit and use it for a skimmer. The lighting is not sufficent to grow or sustain corals. The fish are more tolerant of nitrates than the corals but even they have their limits.

sasquatch · 01-28-2007, 11:52 PM

Hi Ken, like Phil said but we really need those paramaters, if you dont have test kits do a water change and take some water to your local lfs and have them check it for you, take care Steve

kenziro · 01-29-2007, 12:12 AM

Thanks for your help....
My Tank model : Desktop
1.Tank size : 60x40x30 centimeter
2.Internal Filtration
3.saltwater meter (to measure the salt in the water)
4.never change the water, only add it if it less
5.no
ok, i'll change the water...thanks.

sasquatch · 01-29-2007, 12:19 AM

wow Ken, thats only 18.5 gallons!! with that much stuff in there you are going to have difficulties. Steve

munki · 01-29-2007, 12:20 AM

wow you never change the water and you have all that stuff in there?

PhilOlsen · 01-29-2007, 12:21 AM

OK, first you need to do regular water changes and use RO/DI filtered water for all changes as well as top offs. Second, the tank is way overstocked, you should remove all livestock other than 2 of the damsels for now, corals included and return to the LFS while they are still alive. Third get a good skimmer a ramora c hang on would be good for a tank you size. Fourth add live rock I would go with 25-30 lbs total for your tank, but get fully cured in order to help with the cycling process and keep from harming the damsels. As Steve metioned knowing the parameters is vital so you should also get a test kit to keep a eye on it. Patience is the most valuable advice I can give you. The general rule of thumbs for stocking is 1" of fish per 5 gallons of water and this should be calculated at matured size of the species. You really need to address the issues immediately or you are almost certain to have a complete crash and loose everything.

lgerold · 01-29-2007, 12:29 AM

Hi! Unfortunately, you are truly overstocked. I expect you are heading for a "crash" and I'm afraid your fish won't survive.

Reduce your stocking right away, and we'll help you get your tank going safely.

This is a common problem - fish stores like to sell fish, so they often overlook stocking levels when they sell the fish to you. Unfortunately, alot of folks end up giving up the hobby because of this, and alot of fish and corals die in the process.

We are here to help!

Gibeon · 01-29-2007, 12:29 AM

Ummm.... 21 Fish in an 20 Gallon tank? I can't believe that everything is not dead. I'm finding it hard to believe at all.

craig7220 · 01-29-2007, 12:40 PM

You need a protein skimmer. Its one of the most important pieces of equipment in the tank. Also your lighting will not support most corals. Like stated, it sounds like your tank is headed for a crash... Right now, water changes and the addition of cured live rock will help.

kyle1284 · 01-29-2007, 01:12 PM

SKIMMER you have to have one.... i do not know how everything is still living .... i bet of u had a skimmer it would be pulling out the darkest skimmate ever! lol your bio load is way to big for that size tank

rDr4g0n · 01-29-2007, 01:35 PM

i bet having all that stuff packed in there looks really cool though...

maybe if you had about a 100 gallon sump you could make it work lol

01-28-2007, 11:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
kenziro Tunicate Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 23 View Gallery Karma Komment	Help...help... Hi...all of you...thank's for welcome me in this RS... My tank has 4 months old... I've 5 anemonefish, 5 pipefish, 2 damsel, 2 manderin, 2 three spot domino, 2 striped damsel, 1 bicolor, 4 shrimp cleaner and 2 little star... I've 1 sun coral, frogspawn, mushrooms, starpollyp and others(sorry i can't name all of it...i'm just beginner) I've no chiller & skimmer and other test kits...the only thing i've is salt water meter, 2x20 watt lamps, pump...(poor me) EMERGENCY... In this 2 days...my corals become stress(can't bloom/open even my mushrooms)...but my fishes normal... NOW I'M STESS TOO.. CAN SOMEONE HELP ME...WHAT HEPPENED TO MY CORALS...???

01-28-2007, 11:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
PhilOlsen Has been struck by the ban stick Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Glendale Hts. Illinois (Chicago transplant to humor my wife) Posts: 646 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help...help... My guess is to much to soon and not enought light. With the tank only being 4 month old that is a lot of livestock, I have some questions about your set up. 1) what size is your tank? 2) are you running external filtration? 3) what are your water parameters? 4) how often due you do water changes? 5)do you use tap water? 6) do you have live rock in the tank? My second guess is the nitrates are through the roof and should be addressed immediatley, do large water changes using RO/DI filtered water, get a good skimmer asap, you may also want to consider returning the corals to the LFS to get credit and use it for a skimmer. The lighting is not sufficent to grow or sustain corals. The fish are more tolerant of nitrates than the corals but even they have their limits.

01-28-2007, 11:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,917 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help...help... Hi Ken, like Phil said but we really need those paramaters, if you dont have test kits do a water change and take some water to your local lfs and have them check it for you, take care Steve

01-29-2007, 12:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
kenziro Tunicate Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 23 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help...help... Thanks for your help.... My Tank model : Desktop 1.Tank size : 60x40x30 centimeter 2.Internal Filtration 3.saltwater meter (to measure the salt in the water) 4.never change the water, only add it if it less 5.no ok, i'll change the water...thanks.

01-29-2007, 12:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,917 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help...help... wow Ken, thats only 18.5 gallons!! with that much stuff in there you are going to have difficulties. Steve

01-29-2007, 12:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
munki Plate Coral Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 707 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help...help... wow you never change the water and you have all that stuff in there?

01-29-2007, 12:21 AM	#7 (permalink)
PhilOlsen Has been struck by the ban stick Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Glendale Hts. Illinois (Chicago transplant to humor my wife) Posts: 646 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help...help... OK, first you need to do regular water changes and use RO/DI filtered water for all changes as well as top offs. Second, the tank is way overstocked, you should remove all livestock other than 2 of the damsels for now, corals included and return to the LFS while they are still alive. Third get a good skimmer a ramora c hang on would be good for a tank you size. Fourth add live rock I would go with 25-30 lbs total for your tank, but get fully cured in order to help with the cycling process and keep from harming the damsels. As Steve metioned knowing the parameters is vital so you should also get a test kit to keep a eye on it. Patience is the most valuable advice I can give you. The general rule of thumbs for stocking is 1" of fish per 5 gallons of water and this should be calculated at matured size of the species. You really need to address the issues immediately or you are almost certain to have a complete crash and loose everything.

01-29-2007, 12:29 AM	#8 (permalink)
lgerold Scopas Tang Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Brainerd, Mn Posts: 473 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help...help... Hi! Unfortunately, you are truly overstocked. I expect you are heading for a "crash" and I'm afraid your fish won't survive. Reduce your stocking right away, and we'll help you get your tank going safely. This is a common problem - fish stores like to sell fish, so they often overlook stocking levels when they sell the fish to you. Unfortunately, alot of folks end up giving up the hobby because of this, and alot of fish and corals die in the process. We are here to help! __________________ Lucy Upgrade from 125 long to 210 on 1/7/07. 66 gallon sump/refugium. 10 hrs of light: 500 watt pc actinic 10 hrs 400 watt pc daylight 6 hrs 500 watt MH 4 hrs 180 lbs branch liverock. 100 lbs + assorted liverock. 3"+ DSB. Fish - Foxface, Yellow Tang, Mimic Tang, 2 Tomato Clowns, pair True Percula Clowns (and their 6 inch pastel green carpet), Mandarin, Scooter Blenny, Bartlett's Anthias, Royal Gramma, Pseudochromis Splendens. Blue/Gold Crocea Clam, Teardrop Squamosa Clam Coral favorites include: 2 Acanastreas, Pink Cynaria, Green Cynaria, Birdsnest, Trumpets, Red and Pink and Green Goniporas (3), Frogspawn (peach favorite), Fox Coral, Diploastrea, Blasto, 3 Fungia (orange, purple, and green) and many others.

01-29-2007, 12:29 AM	#9 (permalink)
Gibeon Serpent Star Join Date: May 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 215 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help...help... Ummm.... 21 Fish in an 20 Gallon tank? I can't believe that everything is not dead. I'm finding it hard to believe at all. __________________ 26 Gal Bow-Front, 20 Gal Regular, 10 Gal regular Some day I'll have a big tank...

01-29-2007, 12:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
craig7220 Fire Coral Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 60 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help...help... You need a protein skimmer. Its one of the most important pieces of equipment in the tank. Also your lighting will not support most corals. Like stated, it sounds like your tank is headed for a crash... Right now, water changes and the addition of cured live rock will help.

01-29-2007, 01:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
kyle1284 Harlequin Tuskfish Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Huntsville, TX Posts: 919 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help...help... SKIMMER you have to have one.... i do not know how everything is still living .... i bet of u had a skimmer it would be pulling out the darkest skimmate ever! lol your bio load is way to big for that size tank __________________ KYLE 75 Gal 110 Lbs Live Rock 40 Lbs of live sand Equiptment:48 Inch 4x54 T-5 true blue and 10000k lights, 2 fuvual 305 Canister Filters Mis. Mushrooms, Fan Worms, hammer coral, frog spawn, candy cane, A TON OF TRUMPET CORAL!! orange plating monti, some kind of branching monti, pom pom xeina, all kinds of zoos BRIGHT GREEN star polyps, xeina, neon green toadstool, 3 damn damsles, a foxface and a blue tang. November 1...The begining! http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2.../random045.jpg November 8,2008 http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...ristina034.jpg My 75 GALLON BAR TOP REEF TANK! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...n-bar-top.html

01-29-2007, 01:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
rDr4g0n Elegance coral Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: south texas Posts: 1,169 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help...help... i bet having all that stuff packed in there looks really cool though... maybe if you had about a 100 gallon sump you could make it work lol __________________ I know there are quite a few typos in this post. It's not that I'm stupid... it's more like... I'm lazy. - John My 29 Gallon tank of AWESOME My DIY Projects: My $50, 150watt lighting • 10 gallon tall tank • Hood for my 10gal. tall my r0xx0r DIY protein skimmer • 2 cheap strip lights into 1 • Grow cyano!?

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