using locally caught pods?

madgaffr · 06-23-2006, 08:53 AM

My house is on the the Pamlico sound here in NC. I am on the dock everyday fishing, checking my crab pots, etc. and I've been thinking about the concept of using the pods in the water to stock the fuge on my tank. When pulling in my crab pots or cast net, hundreds of pods are all over the deck. Anyone know if this would work for positively increasing the pod population in my tank? I've been researching to find out if there are "harmful" pods versus beneficial pods, and am having no luck in my search. Any info would be much appreciated. I have had luck with the illyasus (Sp.?) snails i catch (they work great and bother nothing in my tank) so if the pods were to work it would open up many possibilities for stocking / filtration of my tank. Thanks ahead of time.

cracker · 06-23-2006, 09:23 AM

I have used the obsolata's as well. They appear to be doing ok. The pods might be a temperate species like the snails and hypothetically not do well in real warm water. They would make excellent food if anything. very interesting idea.

VoodooChld · 06-23-2006, 09:37 AM

I live by tampa and I use the pods I catch around here with no problems thus far.

boozeman · 06-23-2006, 09:40 AM

google 'fish louse'

Witfull · 06-23-2006, 10:20 AM

i just PM'd Mr. Wizard~

madgaffr · 06-23-2006, 10:59 AM

i appreciate all the info everyone is putting forth! I googled fish louse and the pods im finding are not flat and round, they're identical to the pods in my LR, thank you for the warning, it i shall definitely heed should i find out enough to make an informed decision and implement this idea!

Boomer · 06-23-2006, 11:12 AM

I would agree with cracker. Got any pics of these pods or a description. More than likely the are Ioso's or Amphio's.

madgaffr · 06-23-2006, 12:52 PM

the pods closely resemble the pics in my gallery. I'm trying to stock my new fuge and provide a natural feeding supply for my upcoming fish additions. Any thoughts / suggestions would be greatly appreciated... thanks

Woodstock · 06-23-2006, 12:54 PM

madgaffr's pics...

boozeman · 06-23-2006, 01:19 PM

gammarus

madgaffr · 06-23-2006, 01:44 PM

so is my understanding of gammarus correct? i can put them in my tank safely? they look like all the other pods ive had in my previous tanks. Sorry for all the questions again, but i learned the hard way and lost my license to a dui conviction and have to be precautious with what i do with my new tank (considering getting to the lfs, which is 50 miles away, is hard now.) so ive been sitting in front of my tank at the house trying to find ways to improve it. thanks again! p.s. ive had about 50 of them in a bucket of tank water with a heater, dead coral rubble, and a heater for about a week and theyre all doing great.

cracker · 06-23-2006, 01:53 PM

It looks like the pods I have: How big are they like 1/8 " or much smaller. Mine are much smaller I can see them but need a magnifying glass to get a close up.

madgaffr · 06-23-2006, 02:21 PM

anywhere from "I can barely see them - size" to 1/4" in length.

cracker · 06-23-2006, 03:10 PM

Thanks! If I had my tank AND a dock to fish off of I'd be a happy boy!

Boomer · 06-23-2006, 03:51 PM

Gammarid amphipods is what your pics are and there are also other amphipods. Only your pics are of those that live in southeastern Australia

Some of the amphio's you will see in yoru area are.

Cyathurid http://images.google.com/images?svnu...ra&btnG=Search

Corophiumid's http://images.google.com/images?svnu...um&btnG=Search

Leptocheirusid's http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...&sa= N&tab=wi

Caprellid's http://images.google.com/images?svnu...id&btnG=Search

Gammarid's/Gammarus sp
http://images.google.com/images?svnu...us&btnG=Search

There are many grups/families of Amphiopods, go here, where you could actuall ID many to Genus and some to species.

http://pick5.pick.uga.edu/mp/20q?go=...poda/index.htm

Not all Garrmaids are Gammarus sp these are all Gammarids. To make my point on what they are other than Gammar's and why we will never be able to really say the are Garmmaurs sp

Gammaridea Families or Gammarids

Families: Acanthogammaridae - Acanthonotozomatidae - Acanthonotozomellidae - Allocrangonyctidae - Amathillopsidae - Ampeliscidae - Amphilochidae - Anamixidae - Anisogammaridae - Argissidae - Aristiidae - Artesiidae - Astyridae - Bateidae - Biancolinidae - Bogidiellidae - Bolttsiidae - Calliopiidae - Carangoliopsidae - Cardenioidae - Caspicolidae - Ceinidae - Clarenciidae - Colomastigidae - Condukiidae - Crangonyctidae - Cressidae - Cyphocarididae - Cyproideidae - Dexaminidae - Didymocheliidae - Dikwidae - Dogielinotidae - Endevouridae - Eophliantidae - Epimeriidae - Eusiridae - Exoedicerotidae - Falklandellide - Gammaracanthidae - Gammarellidae - Gammaridae - Gammaroporeiidae - Hadziidae - Haustoriidae - Hyalellidae - Hyalidae - Hyperiopsidae - Iciliidae - Ipanemidae - Iphimediidae - Kuriidae - Lafystiidae - Laphystiopsidae - Lepechinellidae - Leucothoidae - Liljeborgiidae - Lysianassidae - Macrohectopidae - Maxillipiidae - Megaluropidae - Melitidae - Melphidippidae - Mesogammaridae - Metacrangonyctidae - Micruropidae - Najnidae - Neoniphargidae - Nihotungidae - Niphargidae - Ochlesidae - Odiidae - Oedicerotidae - Opisidae - Pachyschesidae - Pagetinidae - Paracalliopidae - Paracrangonyctidae - Paraleptamphopidae - Paramelitidae - Pardaliscidae - Perthiidae - Phliantidae - Phoxocephalidae - Phoxocephalopsidae - Phreatogammaridae - Platyischnopidae - Pleustidae - Plioplateidae - Podoprionidae - Pontogammaridae - Pontoporeiidae - Priscomilitaridae - Pseudamphilochidae - Pseudocrangonyctidae - Salentinellidae - Scopelocheiridae - Sebidae - Sinurothoidae - Stegocephalidae - Stenothoidae - Sternophysingidae - Stilipedidae - Synopiidae - Talitridae - Temnophliantidae - Trischizostomatidae - Tulearidae - Typhlogammaridae - Uristidae - Urohaustoriidae - Urothoidae - Valettidae - Vicmusiidae - Vitjazianidae - Wandinidae - Zobrachoidae

The actual Family Gammaridae, also called Gammarids

Genera: Akerogammarus - Albanogammarus - Amathillina - Axelboeckia - Baku - Cephalogammarus - Chaetogammarus - Comatogammarus - Derzhavinella - Dikerogammarus - Echinogammarus - Eoniphargus - Eurybiogammarus - Fontogammarus - Gammaropisa - **Gammarus** - Gmelina - Gmelinopsis - Ilvanella - Indoniphargus - Jugogammarus - Kuzmelina - Lanceogammarus - Laurogammarus - Longigammarus - Lusigammarus - Neogammarus - Obesogammarus - Pallasiola - Pectenogammarus - Philolimnogammarus - Rhipidogammarus - Sarothrogammarus - Shablogammarus - Sinogammarus - Sowinskya - Spinacanthus - Stenogammarus - Tadzhikistania - Tadzocrangonyx - Tyrrhenogammarus - Yogmelina

The best link there is to amphiopods
http://www.imv.uit.no/amphipod/links.htm

Gammarid amphipod's, what your pic and pods more than likely are.

06-23-2006, 08:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
madgaffr Tubeworm Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 36 View Gallery Karma Komment	using locally caught pods? My house is on the the Pamlico sound here in NC. I am on the dock everyday fishing, checking my crab pots, etc. and I've been thinking about the concept of using the pods in the water to stock the fuge on my tank. When pulling in my crab pots or cast net, hundreds of pods are all over the deck. Anyone know if this would work for positively increasing the pod population in my tank? I've been researching to find out if there are "harmful" pods versus beneficial pods, and am having no luck in my search. Any info would be much appreciated. I have had luck with the illyasus (Sp.?) snails i catch (they work great and bother nothing in my tank) so if the pods were to work it would open up many possibilities for stocking / filtration of my tank. Thanks ahead of time.

06-23-2006, 09:23 AM	#2 (permalink)
cracker Acropora Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: North East Florida Posts: 1,789 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: using locally caught pods? I have used the obsolata's as well. They appear to be doing ok. The pods might be a temperate species like the snails and hypothetically not do well in real warm water. They would make excellent food if anything. very interesting idea.

06-23-2006, 09:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
VoodooChld Fire Coral Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: next to tampa bay Posts: 82 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: using locally caught pods? I live by tampa and I use the pods I catch around here with no problems thus far. __________________ -peace "And so I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land." -Mark Twain

06-23-2006, 09:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
boozeman The CodFather ~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: new york Posts: 8,802 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: using locally caught pods? google 'fish louse' __________________ ...and when I'm old and wise little things mean little to me like autumn winds they'll blow right through me and someday, in the mist of time when they ask you if you knew me remember that you were a friend of mine

06-23-2006, 10:59 AM	#6 (permalink)
madgaffr Tubeworm Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 36 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: using locally caught pods? i appreciate all the info everyone is putting forth! I googled fish louse and the pods im finding are not flat and round, they're identical to the pods in my LR, thank you for the warning, it i shall definitely heed should i find out enough to make an informed decision and implement this idea!

06-23-2006, 11:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
Boomer Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,609 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: using locally caught pods? I would agree with cracker. Got any pics of these pods or a description. More than likely the are Ioso's or Amphio's. __________________ Boomer Want to Talk Chemistry ! The Reef Chemistry Forum Want to See More ! The Coral Realm If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

06-23-2006, 12:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
madgaffr Tubeworm Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 36 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: using locally caught pods? the pods closely resemble the pics in my gallery. I'm trying to stock my new fuge and provide a natural feeding supply for my upcoming fish additions. Any thoughts / suggestions would be greatly appreciated... thanks

06-23-2006, 12:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,502 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: using locally caught pods? madgaffr's pics... __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Victorious Battle with ICH* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistance conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

06-23-2006, 01:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
boozeman The CodFather ~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: new york Posts: 8,802 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: using locally caught pods? gammarus __________________ ...and when I'm old and wise little things mean little to me like autumn winds they'll blow right through me and someday, in the mist of time when they ask you if you knew me remember that you were a friend of mine

06-23-2006, 01:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
madgaffr Tubeworm Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 36 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: using locally caught pods? so is my understanding of gammarus correct? i can put them in my tank safely? they look like all the other pods ive had in my previous tanks. Sorry for all the questions again, but i learned the hard way and lost my license to a dui conviction and have to be precautious with what i do with my new tank (considering getting to the lfs, which is 50 miles away, is hard now.) so ive been sitting in front of my tank at the house trying to find ways to improve it. thanks again! p.s. ive had about 50 of them in a bucket of tank water with a heater, dead coral rubble, and a heater for about a week and theyre all doing great.

06-23-2006, 01:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
cracker Acropora Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: North East Florida Posts: 1,789 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: using locally caught pods? It looks like the pods I have: How big are they like 1/8 " or much smaller. Mine are much smaller I can see them but need a magnifying glass to get a close up.

06-23-2006, 02:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
madgaffr Tubeworm Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 36 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: using locally caught pods? anywhere from "I can barely see them - size" to 1/4" in length.

06-23-2006, 03:10 PM	#14 (permalink)
cracker Acropora Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: North East Florida Posts: 1,789 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: using locally caught pods? Thanks! If I had my tank AND a dock to fish off of I'd be a happy boy!

06-23-2006, 03:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
Boomer Reef Sanctuary's Mr. Wizard Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Duluth, Minnesota Posts: 2,609 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: using locally caught pods? Gammarid amphipods is what your pics are and there are also other amphipods. Only your pics are of those that live in southeastern Australia Some of the amphio's you will see in yoru area are. Cyathurid http://images.google.com/images?svnu...ra&btnG=Search Corophiumid's http://images.google.com/images?svnu...um&btnG=Search Leptocheirusid's http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...&sa= N&tab=wi Caprellid's http://images.google.com/images?svnu...id&btnG=Search Gammarid's/Gammarus sp http://images.google.com/images?svnu...us&btnG=Search There are many grups/families of Amphiopods, go here, where you could actuall ID many to Genus and some to species. http://pick5.pick.uga.edu/mp/20q?go=...poda/index.htm Not all Garrmaids are Gammarus sp these are all Gammarids. To make my point on what they are other than Gammar's and why we will never be able to really say the are Garmmaurs sp Gammaridea Families or Gammarids Families: Acanthogammaridae - Acanthonotozomatidae - Acanthonotozomellidae - Allocrangonyctidae - Amathillopsidae - Ampeliscidae - Amphilochidae - Anamixidae - Anisogammaridae - Argissidae - Aristiidae - Artesiidae - Astyridae - Bateidae - Biancolinidae - Bogidiellidae - Bolttsiidae - Calliopiidae - Carangoliopsidae - Cardenioidae - Caspicolidae - Ceinidae - Clarenciidae - Colomastigidae - Condukiidae - Crangonyctidae - Cressidae - Cyphocarididae - Cyproideidae - Dexaminidae - Didymocheliidae - Dikwidae - Dogielinotidae - Endevouridae - Eophliantidae - Epimeriidae - Eusiridae - Exoedicerotidae - Falklandellide - Gammaracanthidae - Gammarellidae - Gammaridae - Gammaroporeiidae - Hadziidae - Haustoriidae - Hyalellidae - Hyalidae - Hyperiopsidae - Iciliidae - Ipanemidae - Iphimediidae - Kuriidae - Lafystiidae - Laphystiopsidae - Lepechinellidae - Leucothoidae - Liljeborgiidae - Lysianassidae - Macrohectopidae - Maxillipiidae - Megaluropidae - Melitidae - Melphidippidae - Mesogammaridae - Metacrangonyctidae - Micruropidae - Najnidae - Neoniphargidae - Nihotungidae - Niphargidae - Ochlesidae - Odiidae - Oedicerotidae - Opisidae - Pachyschesidae - Pagetinidae - Paracalliopidae - Paracrangonyctidae - Paraleptamphopidae - Paramelitidae - Pardaliscidae - Perthiidae - Phliantidae - Phoxocephalidae - Phoxocephalopsidae - Phreatogammaridae - Platyischnopidae - Pleustidae - Plioplateidae - Podoprionidae - Pontogammaridae - Pontoporeiidae - Priscomilitaridae - Pseudamphilochidae - Pseudocrangonyctidae - Salentinellidae - Scopelocheiridae - Sebidae - Sinurothoidae - Stegocephalidae - Stenothoidae - Sternophysingidae - Stilipedidae - Synopiidae - Talitridae - Temnophliantidae - Trischizostomatidae - Tulearidae - Typhlogammaridae - Uristidae - Urohaustoriidae - Urothoidae - Valettidae - Vicmusiidae - Vitjazianidae - Wandinidae - Zobrachoidae The actual Family Gammaridae, also called Gammarids Genera: Akerogammarus - Albanogammarus - Amathillina - Axelboeckia - Baku - Cephalogammarus - Chaetogammarus - Comatogammarus - Derzhavinella - Dikerogammarus - Echinogammarus - Eoniphargus - Eurybiogammarus - Fontogammarus - Gammaropisa - **Gammarus - Gmelina - Gmelinopsis - Ilvanella - Indoniphargus - Jugogammarus - Kuzmelina - Lanceogammarus - Laurogammarus - Longigammarus - Lusigammarus - Neogammarus - Obesogammarus - Pallasiola - Pectenogammarus - Philolimnogammarus - Rhipidogammarus - Sarothrogammarus - Shablogammarus - Sinogammarus - Sowinskya - Spinacanthus - Stenogammarus - Tadzhikistania - Tadzocrangonyx - Tyrrhenogammarus - Yogmelina The best link there is to amphiopods http://www.imv.uit.no/amphipod/links.htm Gammarid amphipod's, what your pic and pods more than likely are. __________________ Boomer Want to Talk Chemistry ! The Reef Chemistry Forum Want to See More !** The Coral Realm If you See Me Running You Better Catch-Up An explosion can be defined as a loud noise, accompanied by the sudden going away of things, from a place where they use to be.

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