eheim 2260

cecilio · 01-21-2006, 05:24 PM

hiim planning to buy an ehein 2260 canister filter for my 300 gal tank, does any one had tried this filter
thank you

Travis · 01-22-2006, 12:47 AM

Not many people using canister filters on reef tanks. Any reason you're going with a canister filter?

DaveK · 01-22-2006, 01:15 AM

If you are going to invest in a 300 gal system, going with any canister filter system is almost a complete waste of time. Even one as good as an Eheim has some serious limitations.

I recommend you invest in a berlin type sump and skimmer worthy of a 300 gal system. Here are two vendors to consider, and that I would recommend.

http://www.superskimmer.com/ - Home of A. E. Tech

http://www.lifereef.com/home.html - Home of Lifereef

I have used products from both, and found both to be excellent.

Yes, these sort of filter systems will cost a lot more than the Ehiem canaster, but the final results will be worth it.

Remenber, it only takes a few losses at $40-50 each to pay for the quality equipment you really need.

Witfull · 01-22-2006, 03:33 AM

buy a few powerheads and pocket teh change...or buy a vortex diatom filter for maimtanence polishing.

cecilio · 01-22-2006, 04:13 PM

hi
the eheim iam planing to buy is for a freshwater 300galons what do you think of the eheim for freshwater
thank you
cecilio

cecilio · 01-22-2006, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Travis

Not many people using canister filters on reef tanks. Any reason you're going with a canister filter?

i know but the eheim is for a 300gal freshwater tank
what do you think
thanks
cecilio

DaveK · 01-22-2006, 06:59 PM

A fresh water system is a completly different matter. In that case canister filters can be a good solution.

The Eheim 2260 you are looking at is ok, and it would work. However, I wouldn't recommend this because the canister filter is also part of the biological filter process. If you clean it, you must be very carefull not to do anything that will kill the bacteria on the biological media.

I would go with two smaller filters, suce as two Eheim 2028's. This would allow you to clean one while the other is in service. Then a couple of weeks later you can clean the other. Also you'd get a little more flow out of two of these. A 2260 is 500 gph. Each 2028 is 277 gph.

The 2260 is also an older design, and you simply put the media you desire into the filter in the layers you want. It also dosn't haev all the latest featurs.

The 2028 gives you some nice media trays for the stuff. It's easy to prime, you just push down on the top knob. A set of isolation valves is built into it, so you can easily remove the filter to clen it. It also has a built in flow meter.

Either way would work. I just think there are many advantages with going with two smaller filters of a newer design.

cecilio · 01-22-2006, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveK

A fresh water system is a completly different matter. In that case canister filters can be a good solution.

The Eheim 2260 you are looking at is ok, and it would work. However, I wouldn't recommend this because the canister filter is also part of the biological filter process. If you clean it, you must be very carefull not to do anything that will kill the bacteria on the biological media.

I would go with two smaller filters, suce as two Eheim 2028's. This would allow you to clean one while the other is in service. Then a couple of weeks later you can clean the other. Also you'd get a little more flow out of two of these. A 2260 is 500 gph. Each 2028 is 277 gph.

The 2260 is also an older design, and you simply put the media you desire into the filter in the layers you want. It also dosn't haev all the latest featurs.

The 2028 gives you some nice media trays for the stuff. It's easy to prime, you just push down on the top knob. A set of isolation valves is built into it, so you can easily remove the filter to clen it. It also has a built in flow meter.

Either way would work. I just think there are many advantages with going with two smaller filters of a newer design.

hi
thak you for your advice i already have in my tank a large refugium with lot of bioball and bacteria so i believe it will help thank you

DaveK · 01-23-2006, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cecilio

hi
thak you for your advice i already have in my tank a large refugium with lot of bioball and bacteria so i believe it will help thank you

Maybe the questions should be, "What are you keeping or plan to keep in the 300 gal tank?" and "What problem are you trying to solve by adding a large Eheim canister filter?"

Barcochris · 01-23-2006, 10:01 AM

DAve is right what kind of system do toy have? If you have LR then the canister is not needed. Please let us know what you have and what you want to do.

Cougra · 01-23-2006, 12:00 PM

Ehiems are great filters. I have one on my freshwater tank as well and if I ever get another filter it will definately be another Eheim. I'm not familiar with that exact model but I am using the Pro II series and it's by far the easier filter to set up and us that I've had yet.

Eheim has recently come out with a Professional III series that is specifically designed for larger tanks. I can't remember the model number for it but I suggest that you look into it. Also, with a freshwater tank you really don't need nearly as much flow as is touted for saltwater tanks.

DaveK · 01-23-2006, 01:47 PM

We have to kkep in mind that cecilio is going to use this on a 300 gal FW system. That kind or rules out the use of live rock(grin).

Yes, Eheim does make a Professional 3 serries. I don't doubt it's quality, but it's expensive. A Pro 3 model 2080 is about $400. This is why I still like the idea of two smaller Pro 2 model 2028's. See my above post for why.

Depending upon what you are doing, a FW system can be a very complex system. For serious planted tanks is not unusual to see MH lighting, CO2 injection, and the use of RO/DI water, things we would normally associate only with SW systems.

Barcochris · 01-23-2006, 03:18 PM

Sorry Missed the fresh water post LOL

cecilio · 01-25-2006, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveK

Maybe the questions should be, "What are you keeping or plan to keep in the 300 gal tank?" and "What problem are you trying to solve by adding a large Eheim canister filter?"

hi
i have 22 jackwatley discus with s large supr wet dry filter , but wet dry are not very good in keping water clean so im planinig i the ehjeim to make the water clearer
cecilio

DaveK · 01-25-2006, 08:37 PM

You have a lot of fish that can produce a lot of waste. You also have a very large tank, so any particulate matter in the water will make the water look much less clear than the same water would look in a 50 gal tank.

To solve your problem you need to filter the water with very fine mechanical filtration. As good as Eheim filters are they are not really geared to this type of fine filtration. They tend to use somewhat course media to allow them to run long preiods of time between cleanings.

For a typical FW tank that is excellent, but you have a bit different problem. You have a trickle filter, so biological filtration and gas exchange are going to be excellent. That can also do some course mechinical filtration and optionally carbon or other filtration. You also have discus, and the water quality demands for that fish are as great as most SW fish. I'm going to assume you do many partial water changes to keep up with the water quality issues.

What I think would be your best option would be one of the large canister filter systems that use pleated cartridges. The two major manfactures of these type of filters are Nu-Clear and Pentair (Lifeguard). Both systems are modular. and I think either would work just fine. I would choose the Nu-Clear though, because it's cartridge has a shape and size that I feel is easier to clean. In either case you want the larger mechanical filter modules.

Both filter systems are modular, so you could add additional modules if you needed them. However, in your case I would only get the mechanical module. You can plan to add other modules later, if you feel you need them. Both filter systems also require an additional pump, and this must be preasure rated, since you need to force the water through the cartridge. I'd get something like an Iwaki MD40RLT or MD55RLT. Both systems also require that you do your own plumbing. This should not be difficult for anyone that's installed a wet/dry filter. I feel that this would be a much better choice, compared to th Eheim, to solve your problem.

There is one other alternative to consider. If you feel that you just need to "polish" the water from time to time, you could consider a Vortex Diatom XL filter. This is a filter that has been around for years, and uses a special Diaton Filter Powder as the filter media. These filters do extremaly fine mechanical filtration. However, they are not for full time use. You would use it about once a week, and would set it up, run it over night, and clean it the next day or so. I have found the set up and clean up of them to be a bit on the messy side.

I hope all this helps solve your problem.

01-21-2006, 05:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
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DaveK Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Philadelpahia, PA Posts: 653 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: eheim 2260 If you are going to invest in a 300 gal system, going with any canister filter system is almost a complete waste of time. Even one as good as an Eheim has some serious limitations. I recommend you invest in a berlin type sump and skimmer worthy of a 300 gal system. Here are two vendors to consider, and that I would recommend. http://www.superskimmer.com/ - Home of A. E. Tech http://www.lifereef.com/home.html - Home of Lifereef I have used products from both, and found both to be excellent. Yes, these sort of filter systems will cost a lot more than the Ehiem canaster, but the final results will be worth it. Remenber, it only takes a few losses at $40-50 each to pay for the quality equipment you really need.

01-22-2006, 04:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
cecilio Sea Pen Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 337 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: eheim 2260 hi the eheim iam planing to buy is for a freshwater 300galons what do you think of the eheim for freshwater thank you cecilio

01-22-2006, 06:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
DaveK Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Philadelpahia, PA Posts: 653 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: eheim 2260 A fresh water system is a completly different matter. In that case canister filters can be a good solution. The Eheim 2260 you are looking at is ok, and it would work. However, I wouldn't recommend this because the canister filter is also part of the biological filter process. If you clean it, you must be very carefull not to do anything that will kill the bacteria on the biological media. I would go with two smaller filters, suce as two Eheim 2028's. This would allow you to clean one while the other is in service. Then a couple of weeks later you can clean the other. Also you'd get a little more flow out of two of these. A 2260 is 500 gph. Each 2028 is 277 gph. The 2260 is also an older design, and you simply put the media you desire into the filter in the layers you want. It also dosn't haev all the latest featurs. The 2028 gives you some nice media trays for the stuff. It's easy to prime, you just push down on the top knob. A set of isolation valves is built into it, so you can easily remove the filter to clen it. It also has a built in flow meter. Either way would work. I just think there are many advantages with going with two smaller filters of a newer design.

01-23-2006, 10:01 AM	#10 (permalink)
Barcochris Cabbage Leather Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 367 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: eheim 2260 DAve is right what kind of system do toy have? If you have LR then the canister is not needed. Please let us know what you have and what you want to do.

01-23-2006, 12:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
Cougra Dragon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 2,216 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: eheim 2260 Ehiems are great filters. I have one on my freshwater tank as well and if I ever get another filter it will definately be another Eheim. I'm not familiar with that exact model but I am using the Pro II series and it's by far the easier filter to set up and us that I've had yet. Eheim has recently come out with a Professional III series that is specifically designed for larger tanks. I can't remember the model number for it but I suggest that you look into it. Also, with a freshwater tank you really don't need nearly as much flow as is touted for saltwater tanks. __________________ Michelle Just because something CAN be done, it doesn't mean that it SHOULD be done!

01-23-2006, 01:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
DaveK Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Philadelpahia, PA Posts: 653 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: eheim 2260 We have to kkep in mind that cecilio is going to use this on a 300 gal FW system. That kind or rules out the use of live rock(grin). Yes, Eheim does make a Professional 3 serries. I don't doubt it's quality, but it's expensive. A Pro 3 model 2080 is about $400. This is why I still like the idea of two smaller Pro 2 model 2028's. See my above post for why. Depending upon what you are doing, a FW system can be a very complex system. For serious planted tanks is not unusual to see MH lighting, CO2 injection, and the use of RO/DI water, things we would normally associate only with SW systems.

01-23-2006, 03:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
Barcochris Cabbage Leather Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 367 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: eheim 2260 Sorry Missed the fresh water post LOL

01-25-2006, 08:37 PM	#15 (permalink)
DaveK Neon dottyback Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Philadelpahia, PA Posts: 653 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: eheim 2260 You have a lot of fish that can produce a lot of waste. You also have a very large tank, so any particulate matter in the water will make the water look much less clear than the same water would look in a 50 gal tank. To solve your problem you need to filter the water with very fine mechanical filtration. As good as Eheim filters are they are not really geared to this type of fine filtration. They tend to use somewhat course media to allow them to run long preiods of time between cleanings. For a typical FW tank that is excellent, but you have a bit different problem. You have a trickle filter, so biological filtration and gas exchange are going to be excellent. That can also do some course mechinical filtration and optionally carbon or other filtration. You also have discus, and the water quality demands for that fish are as great as most SW fish. I'm going to assume you do many partial water changes to keep up with the water quality issues. What I think would be your best option would be one of the large canister filter systems that use pleated cartridges. The two major manfactures of these type of filters are Nu-Clear and Pentair (Lifeguard). Both systems are modular. and I think either would work just fine. I would choose the Nu-Clear though, because it's cartridge has a shape and size that I feel is easier to clean. In either case you want the larger mechanical filter modules. Both filter systems are modular, so you could add additional modules if you needed them. However, in your case I would only get the mechanical module. You can plan to add other modules later, if you feel you need them. Both filter systems also require an additional pump, and this must be preasure rated, since you need to force the water through the cartridge. I'd get something like an Iwaki MD40RLT or MD55RLT. Both systems also require that you do your own plumbing. This should not be difficult for anyone that's installed a wet/dry filter. I feel that this would be a much better choice, compared to th Eheim, to solve your problem. There is one other alternative to consider. If you feel that you just need to "polish" the water from time to time, you could consider a Vortex Diatom XL filter. This is a filter that has been around for years, and uses a special Diaton Filter Powder as the filter media. These filters do extremaly fine mechanical filtration. However, they are not for full time use. You would use it about once a week, and would set it up, run it over night, and clean it the next day or so. I have found the set up and clean up of them to be a bit on the messy side. I hope all this helps solve your problem.

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