Lionfish Decimating Tropical Fish Populations, Threatening Coral Reefs

[Boomer]

Subrosa

You need to read things and just not make remarks without getting who said what straight. This will stop your post hole digging.

Post 6 , my first post
It is not just the Caribbean but he whole Eastern Atlantic all the way up to NY. There have been pics of Lionfish on the net in the Atlantic where it is not a Lion here or there, like in the Indo but almost like in bee-swarms/schools of them in one small area. No, I don't think the Caribbean will collapse but it is an issue. And I think their 80 % is a stretch. There is a report out there somewhere that someone had posted somewhere that all DNA tests done so far on many, many Atlantic Lionfish all fall back to only like 5 fish being introduced causing this issue.

I make no comment about where the Lion's came form point it out

Post 25
Are you sure Frank I do not see it listed. On another note, I did not know Jim was a invert paleontologist. I'm going to have to have a talk with him at MACNA on this, especially in regards to the Pierre Shale of South Dakota. I have been their many times but many, many years ago.


I asked Frank if he is sure about the ballast Lions

Post 34
More of you nonsense and trying to confuse the issue. And what does that have to do with anything. The Lionfish did not fall from the sky did they So we know who is really full of it. Frankie only stated that Lions have been seen in ballasts. They may have come from ballasts and maybe not. I'll tell you this, a fact, that many, many hobbyist release their fish in the wild. Many south American fish did not end up in southern US lakes and steams by falling from the sky or ballasts from boats....SORRY

Ok, my only statement where I mention where they may have come from. Nowhere did I say they **must have come from a hobbyist. Nowhere did I say they *must come form a ballast tank. So, where is there any contradiction of the facts given. I don't think you know what that word contradiction means let alone the meaning of the work *logic. No one has stated * for fact, where they came from. However, it is more than likely, as Fatman just posted again, that they came from hobbyist. Quite trying to put words in peoples mouth that are not there and use some *Logic and get who said what straight. It is more than likely thy came form hobbyists.

Let me repeat this in regards to hobbyists

South American fish did not end up in southern US lakes and steams by falling from the sky or ballasts from boats....SORRY

They also did not migrate here It is a known FACT that many hobbyists have released many fish into the wild, both marine and FW. If anyone thinks otherwise they are an idiot and live in a cave.


I'm enjoying every second of it.But you must agree that from a logical point of view that if two statements contradict each other then one must be false.That is the main point I tried to make that was apparently so confusing.

The only ones enjoying this statement are those reading YOUR statements, from your lack of log and reasoning. .

Given the planktonic nature of larval red lionfish or the fact that the species is purported to occur in some harbors, some speculate that it is not unreasonable to surmise that the species has gained a foothold on the U.S. east coast via ballast water transport.

This is not a fact but a proposed theory. Do you understand the difference ?

And it is a know fact the Lions have been released by hobbyists, accident or not.

Fatman
Means of Introduction: At least six lionfish were liberated into Biscayne Bay when a beach-side aquarium broke during Hurricane Andrew in August 1992 (Courtenay 1995). The most probable explanation for the arrival of the lionfish population in the Atlantic Ocean is via the aquarium trade (Whitfield et al. 2002; Semmens et al. 2004). It is also possible that lionfish may have been transported through ballast water of ships travelling from the Pacific Ocean.

Note the words "aquarium" and "ballast" . Do I need to put them in red for you ?

This has been posted 3 times now. Do you need help reading or understanding it or do we need to post it again till it sinks in ? We are always here to help you if needed

No one is 100% sure where they came from. They one saying or trying to put that across where they *Must have come from is you, which shows lack of *logic and deductive reasoning.

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[SubRosa]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Subrosa

You need to read things and just not make remarks without getting who said what straight. This will stop your post hole digging.

Post 6 , my first post
It is not just the Caribbean but he whole Eastern Atlantic all the way up to NY. There have been pics of Lionfish on the net in the Atlantic where it is not a Lion here or there, like in the Indo but almost like in bee-swarms/schools of them in one small area. No, I don't think the Caribbean will collapse but it is an issue. And I think their 80 % is a stretch. There is a report out there somewhere that someone had posted somewhere that all DNA tests done so far on many, many Atlantic Lionfish all fall back to only like 5 fish being introduced causing this issue.

I make no comment about where the Lion's came form point it out

Post 25
Are you sure Frank I do not see it listed. On another note, I did not know Jim was a invert paleontologist. I'm going to have to have a talk with him at MACNA on this, especially in regards to the Pierre Shale of South Dakota. I have been their many times but many, many years ago.


I asked Frank if he is sure about the ballast Lions

Post 34
More of you nonsense and trying to confuse the issue. And what does that have to do with anything. The Lionfish did not fall from the sky did they So we know who is really full of it. Frankie only stated that Lions have been seen in ballasts. They may have come from ballasts and maybe not. I'll tell you this, a fact, that many, many hobbyist release their fish in the wild. Many south American fish did not end up in southern US lakes and steams by falling from the sky or ballasts from boats....SORRY

Ok, my only statement where I mention where they may have come from. Nowhere did I say they **must have come from a hobbyist. Nowhere did I say they *must come form a ballast tank. So, where is there any contradiction of the facts given. I don't think you know what that word contradiction means let alone the meaning of the work *logic. No one has stated * for fact, where they came from. However, it is more than likely, as Fatman just posted again, that they came from hobbyist. Quite trying to put words in peoples mouth that are not there and use some *Logic and get who said what straight. It is more than likely thy came form hobbyists.

Let me repeat this in regards to hobbyists

South American fish did not end up in southern US lakes and steams by falling from the sky or ballasts from boats....SORRY

They also did not migrate here It is a known FACT that many hobbyists have released many fish into the wild, both marine and FW. If anyone thinks otherwise they are an idiot and live in a cave.


I'm enjoying every second of it.But you must agree that from a logical point of view that if two statements contradict each other then one must be false.That is the main point I tried to make that was apparently so confusing.

The only ones enjoying this statement are those reading YOUR statements, from your lack of log and reasoning. .

Given the planktonic nature of larval red lionfish or the fact that the species is purported to occur in some harbors, some speculate that it is not unreasonable to surmise that the species has gained a foothold on the U.S. east coast via ballast water transport.

This is not a fact but a proposed theory. Do you understand the difference ?

And it is a know fact the Lions have been released by hobbyists, accident or not.

Fatman
Means of Introduction: At least six lionfish were liberated into Biscayne Bay when a beach-side aquarium broke during Hurricane Andrew in August 1992 (Courtenay 1995). The most probable explanation for the arrival of the lionfish population in the Atlantic Ocean is via the aquarium trade (Whitfield et al. 2002; Semmens et al. 2004). It is also possible that lionfish may have been transported through ballast water of ships travelling from the Pacific Ocean.

Note the words "aquarium" and "ballast" . Do I need to put them in red for you ?

This has been posted 3 times now. Do you need help reading or understanding it or do we need to post it again till it sinks in ? We are always here to help you if needed

No one is 100% sure where they came from. They one saying or trying to put that across where they *Must have come from is you, which shows lack of *logic and deductive reasoning.

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Very helpful!Seems to be at least as much of a personal attack as I'm accused of.Bet it was even more helpful before Dave edited it!

[Frankie]

This thread is closed. It has no further use on this site. Obviously some subjects are to much even for the ones "who know stuff".