Black worms

PEMfish · 01-19-2008, 08:27 PM

I've always tried to keep a culture of them for my Peacock eel. They die off or stop reproducing every few months. So now I'm going to up grade from my 15oz container to a empty cat litter jug. It measures 6"x8" and with top cut off it'll be 10" high. I will use and old AC HOB! Yes, and when this works out I'll move up to a squareish bucket. It will live in my basement. Its recommended to keep them in the fridge but alot of people don't. Right now There in the entry way, it hangs at 55-45*f. But I'll need a outlet, and its too hot in the summer. I know this is really deep for them, oh well. It'll hold 1.9g.

PEMfish · 01-19-2008, 08:37 PM

I saw one in basement, 10.5h x 10 x 13 so... 5g. Has a side straight enough for the HOB. Said to cost $5. Perfect. I might find something better. If not this will be good. ( I hope they still sell them ). I plan on buying one scoop ( $1.50 ) and just feed and keep clean till they are ready to harvest. Until then, the small one will due. Dose anyone know how long they take to multiply?
If fast, please get on the list. lol

PEMfish · 01-19-2008, 08:40 PM

Hmmm, If went up to a rubbermaid I could supply LFSs. Get some $ back. Watch, I'll have a 240g sapphire full of worms and still a 10g reef. lol

ReefGuy69 · 01-19-2008, 09:05 PM

Ha ha ha wouldnt that be funny. But at least youll be bringing in some dough to upgrade your 10 gal reef.

PEMfish · 01-20-2008, 02:27 PM

Well, if this set up sucks as much as I think it will, I won't wait till populated to move up.

PEMfish · 01-20-2008, 02:30 PM

In case you don't know, thats the infamous Zack.

PEMfish · 01-23-2008, 10:52 PM

I think I am providing much more optimal conditions in the grow-out tank I just set up. As of now I have no idea how long this will take - to get a good stock. If anyone is going to do this, you need flow. They will crawl out if not knocked down by the flow. They also hate flow, there is a butter zone you must find it fir your tank.

btw; I see a that new bucket in the the near future...

vdituri · 01-23-2008, 10:56 PM

Paul,
What do you feed them?
Are they the same things I buy as blood worms?

Zack, nice to meet you. lol

PEMfish · 01-23-2008, 11:07 PM

Well, a home made food has been in use for a year. Only When I put a flake to start the cycle did I realize that was so much better. Homemade food was preferred before... now its NutraFin Max.

Its always nice to meet new people, I think we have got alot just recently.

PEMfish · 01-26-2008, 10:32 PM

I got a small plastic garbage can today at the dollar store. It is the same volume, little narrower and deepper, but the biggest difference is how its not flimsy.
You would not believe how much those worms eat If you give it to them! about 20 3/8th" flakes will last +/- 15 hours!

PEMfish · 02-03-2008, 05:31 PM

Ok, breeding has come.
I will get some peat, and boil it to hopefully make it safe. I don't think I can find aquarium peat locally. I will switch to spirulina flake also.

vdituri · 02-08-2008, 05:16 PM

Is the peat just someplace for them to live?

Are these what are sold commercially as blood worms?

Thanks in advance for the info.

PEMfish · 02-08-2008, 06:15 PM

No. These are very different than blood worms, witch are fly larvae. These are actually tubifex worms ( witch come from Cali ), real black worms are not available. Tubifex worms vary and are often confused with black worms.
Little is know about them, and I know even less. The peat simulates there natural environment. However, they are adaptable. They are abundant in Mexico's sewer system, and run off from Trout farms.

vdituri · 02-12-2008, 12:45 AM

Sewer?

Are they fresh water then?
Do you need to sanitize them somehow?

vdituri · 02-12-2008, 12:46 AM

P.S. - Where are the pics?

01-19-2008, 08:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
PEMfish Manta Ray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 3,048 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Black worms I've always tried to keep a culture of them for my Peacock eel. They die off or stop reproducing every few months. So now I'm going to up grade from my 15oz container to a empty cat litter jug. It measures 6"x8" and with top cut off it'll be 10" high. I will use and old AC HOB! Yes, and when this works out I'll move up to a squareish bucket. It will live in my basement. Its recommended to keep them in the fridge but alot of people don't. Right now There in the entry way, it hangs at 55-45f. But I'll need a outlet, and its too hot in the summer. I know this is really deep for them, oh well. It'll hold 1.9g. __________________ Paul `EM* My new 48" reef chronicle; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

01-19-2008, 08:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
PEMfish Manta Ray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 3,048 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Black worms I saw one in basement, 10.5h x 10 x 13 so... 5g. Has a side straight enough for the HOB. Said to cost $5. Perfect. I might find something better. If not this will be good. ( I hope they still sell them ). I plan on buying one scoop ( $1.50 ) and just feed and keep clean till they are ready to harvest. Until then, the small one will due. Dose anyone know how long they take to multiply? If fast, please get on the list. lol __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef chronicle; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

01-19-2008, 08:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
PEMfish Manta Ray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 3,048 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Black worms Hmmm, If went up to a rubbermaid I could supply LFSs. Get some $ back. Watch, I'll have a 240g sapphire full of worms and still a 10g reef. lol __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef chronicle; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

01-19-2008, 09:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
ReefGuy69 Harlequin Tuskfish Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 934 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Black worms Ha ha ha wouldnt that be funny. But at least youll be bringing in some dough to upgrade your 10 gal reef. __________________ Dennis ________ http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...journal-3.html 55gal AGA w/ built in overflow 15 gal acrylic DIY sump/fuge 75lbs Fiji Live Rock 45lbs of Live Sand 1-1/2inch (1) 96 watt Super Blue Actinic Power Compact (2) 96 Watt 10,000k Power Compacts (2) Ebo Jager 200 watt heaters Seaclone 150 Skimmer (2) Hagen 50's Power Heads for flow (2) Hagen 70's Power Heads for flow (1) Hagen 70 Return Pump DIY ATO system (5 Gal) Algae Scrubber w/(4) 9watt 67k Bulbs TLF 150 Phosban Reactor 12X turnover rate 1 Ocellaris Clownfish, 1 Firefish, 1 Blue Hippo Tang, 1 Black and White Goby, Neon Green Hairy Mushrooms, Red Zoanthus Polyps, Sand Sifting Starfish, Emerald Crab, Various Snails and Hermits

01-23-2008, 10:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
PEMfish Manta Ray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 3,048 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Black worms I think I am providing much more optimal conditions in the grow-out tank I just set up. As of now I have no idea how long this will take - to get a good stock. If anyone is going to do this, you need flow. They will crawl out if not knocked down by the flow. They also hate flow, there is a butter zone you must find it fir your tank. btw; I see a that new bucket in the the near future... __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef chronicle; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

01-23-2008, 10:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
vdituri Excellent Guesser :D Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sacramento California Posts: 6,244 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Black worms Paul, What do you feed them? Are they the same things I buy as blood worms? Zack, nice to meet you. lol __________________ Victor ----- People come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime. When you know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person. When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend and they are. They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then, without any wrongdoing on your part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it is time to move on.

01-23-2008, 11:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
PEMfish Manta Ray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 3,048 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Black worms Well, a home made food has been in use for a year. Only When I put a flake to start the cycle did I realize that was so much better. Homemade food was preferred before... now its NutraFin Max. Its always nice to meet new people, I think we have got alot just recently. __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef chronicle; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

01-26-2008, 10:32 PM	#10 (permalink)
PEMfish Manta Ray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 3,048 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Black worms I got a small plastic garbage can today at the dollar store. It is the same volume, little narrower and deepper, but the biggest difference is how its not flimsy. You would not believe how much those worms eat If you give it to them! about 20 3/8th" flakes will last +/- 15 hours! __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef chronicle; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

02-03-2008, 05:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
PEMfish Manta Ray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 3,048 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Black worms Ok, breeding has come. I will get some peat, and boil it to hopefully make it safe. I don't think I can find aquarium peat locally. I will switch to spirulina flake also. __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef chronicle; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

02-08-2008, 05:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
vdituri Excellent Guesser :D Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sacramento California Posts: 6,244 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Black worms Is the peat just someplace for them to live? Are these what are sold commercially as blood worms? Thanks in advance for the info. __________________ Victor ----- People come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime. When you know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person. When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend and they are. They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then, without any wrongdoing on your part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it is time to move on.

02-08-2008, 06:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
PEMfish Manta Ray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 3,048 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Black worms No. These are very different than blood worms, witch are fly larvae. These are actually tubifex worms ( witch come from Cali ), real black worms are not available. Tubifex worms vary and are often confused with black worms. Little is know about them, and I know even less. The peat simulates there natural environment. However, they are adaptable. They are abundant in Mexico's sewer system, and run off from Trout farms. __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef chronicle; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

02-12-2008, 12:45 AM	#14 (permalink)
vdituri Excellent Guesser :D Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sacramento California Posts: 6,244 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Black worms Sewer? Are they fresh water then? Do you need to sanitize them somehow? __________________ Victor ----- People come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime. When you know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person. When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend and they are. They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then, without any wrongdoing on your part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it is time to move on.

02-12-2008, 12:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
vdituri Excellent Guesser :D Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sacramento California Posts: 6,244 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Black worms P.S. - Where are the pics? __________________ Victor ----- People come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime. When you know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person. When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend and they are. They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then, without any wrongdoing on your part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it is time to move on.

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