Flourish Excell and Beard algae

sasquatch · 11-12-2007, 12:55 PM

The castle is settling in nicely, as it was a transfer lots of nutrient got moved around causing a bearded algae outbreak, dark green to black covering moss and plant leaves. I dose 15ml a day in a 55 gal tank for 3 to 4 days of excell, on the 3rd day its starting to turn red as in the pic, I will dose for 6 days and stop, in another few days it will be gone. tank is full of shrimp, fish and snails and seems not to cause any problems for them, Flourish will not outright say its an algaecide and the levels used are more than suggested amount, if it returns I may have to use some faster growing plants to consume the nutrients. Sorry for fuzzy pic, camera and operator are challenged. Steve

Dentoid · 11-12-2007, 01:26 PM

I wanna see pictures of your foot!

sasquatch · 11-12-2007, 01:55 PM

I will not assist you in bulimia Scott, this is a family friendly site lol

PEMfish · 11-12-2007, 11:10 PM

Should clear up nicely. I`v never seen anyone ( but heard of ) use that. Most people are against bio warfare. Be sure to remove most the algae or it will cause a spike in ammonia. You could always get snails for it. But then you'd need a clown loach to get rid of them before they ravaged the plants. Then you`d have to get a large eel to get rid of the loach before your spouse finds out you bought something behind their back. Then you would have to get a freshwater shark to banish the eel. Latter you'd have to explane to your spouse why you need a bigger tank.

vdituri · 11-12-2007, 11:40 PM

Wait, what happened to Steve's foot?!
Cant those two catch a break?

p.s. - Steve I have no help for you on the algea issue. You are in unchartered territory for me. I had FW algae that made HA look like tissue paper. Just recently had it leave the premises.

sasquatch · 11-13-2007, 07:29 PM

[quote=PEMfish;341029]Should clear up nicely. I`v never seen anyone ( but heard of ) use that. Most people are against bio warfare. Be sure to remove most the algae or it will cause a spike in ammonia.

sorry Pem, not following you on this, please explain ammonia spike, excell is a carbon fert. dosent affect bio in anyway other than as food or minor algaecide, Im at a loss as to how you think an ammonia spike will occur, thanks Steve

zimboy · 11-13-2007, 07:32 PM

I beleive he is talking about the decaying algae being removed before it decomposes to ammonia. I don't think he is referring to the excell

sasquatch · 11-13-2007, 07:35 PM

ah, I dont think ammonia is involved in rotting veggies, only nutrients and trates? I will google now lol

zimboy · 11-13-2007, 07:40 PM

Post a brief summary of your findings (if you don't mind) so that I also may be enlightened. i always seem to have planty pieces in my floss, maybe i should be more diligent about cleaning?

PEMfish · 11-13-2007, 08:05 PM

Zimboys right. The last post (5:40), me?

sasquatch · 11-13-2007, 08:55 PM

Research! looks like a 50/50 split on algae break down.
"For reasons that are not
well understood, these blooms are
subject to spectacular collapse,
often called a “crash,” where all the
algae suddenly die. When this
occurs, ammonia concentration
increases rapidly because the *** main
mechanism for ammonia removal—
algal uptake***has been eliminated.
Rapid decomposition of dead algae
reduces the dissolved oxygen concentration
and pH and increases
ammonia and carbon dioxide concentrations.
After the crash of an
algae bloom, ammonia concentration
can increase to 6 to 8 mg/L
and the pH can decline to 7.8 to
8.0. The 4-day chronic criterion,
the appropriate criterion to apply"

so a minor algae death representing a very small portion of total mass, should show no increase, a massive die off will be shown as ammonia in nitrates and ammonia, google is cool!

zimboy · 11-13-2007, 09:04 PM

Thanks for the info Steve. knew i could count on you.

boozeman · 11-14-2007, 09:32 AM

I would think that the sudden increase in ammonium would be used up immediately by the plants themselves as fertilizer.

sasquatch · 11-14-2007, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boozeman

I would think that the sudden increase in ammonium would be used up immediately by the plants themselves as fertilizer.

I agree Booze, an ammonia increase would require a major crash, Im still a little unclear on ammonia in nitrate, so still following the bread crumbs lol

11-12-2007, 12:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,981 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Flourish Excell and Beard algae The castle is settling in nicely, as it was a transfer lots of nutrient got moved around causing a bearded algae outbreak, dark green to black covering moss and plant leaves. I dose 15ml a day in a 55 gal tank for 3 to 4 days of excell, on the 3rd day its starting to turn red as in the pic, I will dose for 6 days and stop, in another few days it will be gone. tank is full of shrimp, fish and snails and seems not to cause any problems for them, Flourish will not outright say its an algaecide and the levels used are more than suggested amount, if it returns I may have to use some faster growing plants to consume the nutrients. Sorry for fuzzy pic, camera and operator are challenged. Steve Last edited by sasquatch : 06-15-2008 at 01:23 AM.

11-12-2007, 01:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,981 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae I will not assist you in bulimia Scott, this is a family friendly site lol

11-12-2007, 11:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
PEMfish Manta Ray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 3,048 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae Should clear up nicely. I`v never seen anyone ( but heard of ) use that. Most people are against bio warfare. Be sure to remove most the algae or it will cause a spike in ammonia. You could always get snails for it. But then you'd need a clown loach to get rid of them before they ravaged the plants. Then you`d have to get a large eel to get rid of the loach before your spouse finds out you bought something behind their back. Then you would have to get a freshwater shark to banish the eel. Latter you'd have to explane to your spouse why you need a bigger tank. __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef chronicle; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

11-12-2007, 11:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
vdituri Excellent Guesser :D Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sacramento California Posts: 6,244 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae Wait, what happened to Steve's foot?! Cant those two catch a break? p.s. - Steve I have no help for you on the algea issue. You are in unchartered territory for me. I had FW algae that made HA look like tissue paper. Just recently had it leave the premises. __________________ Victor ----- People come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime. When you know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person. When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend and they are. They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then, without any wrongdoing on your part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it is time to move on.

11-13-2007, 07:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,981 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae [quote=PEMfish;341029]Should clear up nicely. I`v never seen anyone ( but heard of ) use that. Most people are against bio warfare. Be sure to remove most the algae or it will cause a spike in ammonia. sorry Pem, not following you on this, please explain ammonia spike, excell is a carbon fert. dosent affect bio in anyway other than as food or minor algaecide, Im at a loss as to how you think an ammonia spike will occur, thanks Steve

11-13-2007, 07:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
zimboy Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 296 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae I beleive he is talking about the decaying algae being removed before it decomposes to ammonia. I don't think he is referring to the excell

11-13-2007, 07:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,981 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae ah, I dont think ammonia is involved in rotting veggies, only nutrients and trates? I will google now lol

11-13-2007, 07:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
zimboy Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 296 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae Post a brief summary of your findings (if you don't mind) so that I also may be enlightened. i always seem to have planty pieces in my floss, maybe i should be more diligent about cleaning?

11-13-2007, 08:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
PEMfish Manta Ray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 3,048 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae Zimboys right. The last post (5:40), me? __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef chronicle; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

11-13-2007, 08:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,981 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae Research! looks like a 50/50 split on algae break down. "For reasons that are not well understood, these blooms are subject to spectacular collapse, often called a “crash,” where all the algae suddenly die. When this occurs, ammonia concentration increases rapidly because the * main mechanism for ammonia removal— algal uptake*has been eliminated. Rapid decomposition of dead algae reduces the dissolved oxygen concentration and pH and increases ammonia and carbon dioxide concentrations. After the crash of an algae bloom, ammonia concentration can increase to 6 to 8 mg/L and the pH can decline to 7.8 to 8.0. The 4-day chronic criterion, the appropriate criterion to apply" so a minor algae death representing a very small portion of total mass, should show no increase, a massive die off will be shown as ammonia in nitrates and ammonia, google is cool!

11-13-2007, 09:04 PM	#12 (permalink)
zimboy Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 296 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae Thanks for the info Steve. knew i could count on you.

11-14-2007, 09:32 AM	#13 (permalink)
boozeman The CodFather ~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: new york Posts: 8,802 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae I would think that the sudden increase in ammonium would be used up immediately by the plants themselves as fertilizer. __________________ ...and when I'm old and wise little things mean little to me like autumn winds they'll blow right through me and someday, in the mist of time when they ask you if you knew me remember that you were a friend of mine

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