Flourish Excell and Beard algae

sasquatch · 11-12-2007, 11:55 AM

The castle is settling in nicely, as it was a transfer lots of nutrient got moved around causing a bearded algae outbreak, dark green to black covering moss and plant leaves. I dose 15ml a day in a 55 gal tank for 3 to 4 days of excell, on the 3rd day its starting to turn red as in the pic, I will dose for 6 days and stop, in another few days it will be gone. tank is full of shrimp, fish and snails and seems not to cause any problems for them, Flourish will not outright say its an algaecide and the levels used are more than suggested amount, if it returns I may have to use some faster growing plants to consume the nutrients. Sorry for fuzzy pic, camera and operator are challenged. Steve

Dentoid · 11-12-2007, 12:26 PM

I wanna see pictures of your foot!

sasquatch · 11-12-2007, 12:55 PM

I will not assist you in bulimia Scott, this is a family friendly site lol

PEMfish · 11-12-2007, 10:10 PM

Should clear up nicely. I`v never seen anyone ( but heard of ) use that. Most people are against bio warfare. Be sure to remove most the algae or it will cause a spike in ammonia. You could always get snails for it. But then you'd need a clown loach to get rid of them before they ravaged the plants. Then you`d have to get a large eel to get rid of the loach before your spouse finds out you bought something behind their back. Then you would have to get a freshwater shark to banish the eel. Latter you'd have to explane to your spouse why you need a bigger tank.

vdituri · 11-12-2007, 10:40 PM

Wait, what happened to Steve's foot?!
Cant those two catch a break?

p.s. - Steve I have no help for you on the algea issue. You are in unchartered territory for me. I had FW algae that made HA look like tissue paper. Just recently had it leave the premises.

sasquatch · 11-13-2007, 06:29 PM

[quote=PEMfish;341029]Should clear up nicely. I`v never seen anyone ( but heard of ) use that. Most people are against bio warfare. Be sure to remove most the algae or it will cause a spike in ammonia.

sorry Pem, not following you on this, please explain ammonia spike, excell is a carbon fert. dosent affect bio in anyway other than as food or minor algaecide, Im at a loss as to how you think an ammonia spike will occur, thanks Steve

zimboy · 11-13-2007, 06:32 PM

I beleive he is talking about the decaying algae being removed before it decomposes to ammonia. I don't think he is referring to the excell

sasquatch · 11-13-2007, 06:35 PM

ah, I dont think ammonia is involved in rotting veggies, only nutrients and trates? I will google now lol

zimboy · 11-13-2007, 06:40 PM

Post a brief summary of your findings (if you don't mind) so that I also may be enlightened. i always seem to have planty pieces in my floss, maybe i should be more diligent about cleaning?

PEMfish · 11-13-2007, 07:05 PM

Zimboys right. The last post (5:40), me?

sasquatch · 11-13-2007, 07:55 PM

Research! looks like a 50/50 split on algae break down.
"For reasons that are not
well understood, these blooms are
subject to spectacular collapse,
often called a “crash,” where all the
algae suddenly die. When this
occurs, ammonia concentration
increases rapidly because the *** main
mechanism for ammonia removal—
algal uptake***has been eliminated.
Rapid decomposition of dead algae
reduces the dissolved oxygen concentration
and pH and increases
ammonia and carbon dioxide concentrations.
After the crash of an
algae bloom, ammonia concentration
can increase to 6 to 8 mg/L
and the pH can decline to 7.8 to
8.0. The 4-day chronic criterion,
the appropriate criterion to apply"

so a minor algae death representing a very small portion of total mass, should show no increase, a massive die off will be shown as ammonia in nitrates and ammonia, google is cool!

zimboy · 11-13-2007, 08:04 PM

Thanks for the info Steve. knew i could count on you.

boozeman · 11-14-2007, 08:32 AM

I would think that the sudden increase in ammonium would be used up immediately by the plants themselves as fertilizer.

sasquatch · 11-14-2007, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boozeman

I would think that the sudden increase in ammonium would be used up immediately by the plants themselves as fertilizer.

I agree Booze, an ammonia increase would require a major crash, Im still a little unclear on ammonia in nitrate, so still following the bread crumbs lol

11-12-2007, 12:26 PM	#2 (permalink)
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11-12-2007, 12:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,508 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae I will not assist you in bulimia Scott, this is a family friendly site lol __________________ DIY stuff for my tank stand, 100g tank,rock lift, overflow, foam walls, closed loop,lighting reflectors, 50gal sump, bubbletrap and sock holder, ato bracket,kalk bucket and reservoir, 40gal fuge, fuge lighting, remotish dsb raceway, turf algae raceway, dual pumped recirc skimmer, more to follow. Barb ripped my sig

11-12-2007, 10:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
PEMfish Reef Lobster Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 1,634 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae Should clear up nicely. I`v never seen anyone ( but heard of ) use that. Most people are against bio warfare. Be sure to remove most the algae or it will cause a spike in ammonia. You could always get snails for it. But then you'd need a clown loach to get rid of them before they ravaged the plants. Then you`d have to get a large eel to get rid of the loach before your spouse finds out you bought something behind their back. Then you would have to get a freshwater shark to banish the eel. Latter you'd have to explane to your spouse why you need a bigger tank. __________________ Paul `EM My cichlid tank plans, or Piranhas...; See how it all came to be; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...g-catchup.html http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ets-ready.html Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes.

11-13-2007, 06:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,508 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae [quote=PEMfish;341029]Should clear up nicely. I`v never seen anyone ( but heard of ) use that. Most people are against bio warfare. Be sure to remove most the algae or it will cause a spike in ammonia. sorry Pem, not following you on this, please explain ammonia spike, excell is a carbon fert. dosent affect bio in anyway other than as food or minor algaecide, Im at a loss as to how you think an ammonia spike will occur, thanks Steve __________________ DIY stuff for my tank stand, 100g tank,rock lift, overflow, foam walls, closed loop,lighting reflectors, 50gal sump, bubbletrap and sock holder, ato bracket,kalk bucket and reservoir, 40gal fuge, fuge lighting, remotish dsb raceway, turf algae raceway, dual pumped recirc skimmer, more to follow. Barb ripped my sig

11-13-2007, 06:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
zimboy Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 296 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae I beleive he is talking about the decaying algae being removed before it decomposes to ammonia. I don't think he is referring to the excell

11-13-2007, 06:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,508 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae ah, I dont think ammonia is involved in rotting veggies, only nutrients and trates? I will google now lol __________________ DIY stuff for my tank stand, 100g tank,rock lift, overflow, foam walls, closed loop,lighting reflectors, 50gal sump, bubbletrap and sock holder, ato bracket,kalk bucket and reservoir, 40gal fuge, fuge lighting, remotish dsb raceway, turf algae raceway, dual pumped recirc skimmer, more to follow. Barb ripped my sig

11-13-2007, 06:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
zimboy Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 296 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae Post a brief summary of your findings (if you don't mind) so that I also may be enlightened. i always seem to have planty pieces in my floss, maybe i should be more diligent about cleaning?

11-13-2007, 07:05 PM	#10 (permalink)
PEMfish Reef Lobster Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 1,634 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae Zimboys right. The last post (5:40), me? __________________ Paul `EM My cichlid tank plans, or Piranhas...; See how it all came to be; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...g-catchup.html http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ets-ready.html Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes.

11-13-2007, 07:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,508 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae Research! looks like a 50/50 split on algae break down. "For reasons that are not well understood, these blooms are subject to spectacular collapse, often called a “crash,” where all the algae suddenly die. When this occurs, ammonia concentration increases rapidly because the * main mechanism for ammonia removal— algal uptake*has been eliminated. Rapid decomposition of dead algae reduces the dissolved oxygen concentration and pH and increases ammonia and carbon dioxide concentrations. After the crash of an algae bloom, ammonia concentration can increase to 6 to 8 mg/L and the pH can decline to 7.8 to 8.0. The 4-day chronic criterion, the appropriate criterion to apply" so a minor algae death representing a very small portion of total mass, should show no increase, a massive die off will be shown as ammonia in nitrates and ammonia, google is cool! __________________ DIY stuff for my tank stand, 100g tank,rock lift, overflow, foam walls, closed loop,lighting reflectors, 50gal sump, bubbletrap and sock holder, ato bracket,kalk bucket and reservoir, 40gal fuge, fuge lighting, remotish dsb raceway, turf algae raceway, dual pumped recirc skimmer, more to follow. Barb ripped my sig

11-13-2007, 08:04 PM	#12 (permalink)
zimboy Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 296 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Flourish Excell and Beard algae Thanks for the info Steve. knew i could count on you.

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