White speck on clownfish?

SeahorseBT · 10-09-2008, 06:41 PM

I have had this clown for a year and a half now and the last fish I added was a BSJF about 3 months ago that died due to unknow causes. I moved him into QT and will try to get a pic. Water quality is fine. Normal behevior. No specks on female. The speck is very raised and right before the thrid stripe. Should I freshwater dip him?

SeahorseBT · 10-09-2008, 07:21 PM

Now it just looks like a sore.I might have knocked it off when I moved him. Here's the best pic I could get. I will try to get a better one.
You can see it at the end right before the third stripe.

CATALYST · 10-09-2008, 07:37 PM

Mine have specs once in awhile. Mine end up being some sort of tank debris and it falls off after a couple days. Good putting him in QT. I can't tell from the pics. Watch him for a couple days and see if there is change and maybe another pic might help.

SeahorseBT · 10-09-2008, 07:41 PM

I made a mistake, the spot is right before the thrid dtripe not the first. I edited it now. I can circle it if that helps...

new reefer 03 · 10-09-2008, 07:59 PM

i would say ich, if it isnt gone in a week.

SeahorseBT · 10-09-2008, 08:05 PM

Ich is more of a bump while this looks like a sore to me.

lcstorc · 10-09-2008, 10:48 PM

What I see doesn't look like ich. Not sure what it is but could be a scrape or something like mentioned above. Ich looks like a sprinkling of salt or sugar. Sometime very little but I don't remember ever seeing one spot like that.
Keep him in QT a couple of days and see how he is.

SeahorseBT · 10-12-2008, 08:48 PM

Still no change. I saw him scratching today too.Should I try a fresh water dip?

leebca · 10-13-2008, 12:01 PM

Besides the mysterious white spot, the fish seems to be displaying signs of Hyper-Melaninization. Between the two conditions it would appear the fish suffered injury of being stung or harmed by some other means.

I don't easily see if you say the fish is eating in any of your posts. Assuming the fish is eating, make sure it is getting proper nutrition and even some immune boosters (vitamin and fat supplements). You want to read through both of these posts:
Feeding Marine Fish and Marine Fish Nutrition
and
Different Forms of Marine Fish Foods

I don't believe a FW dip will help here. If the spot isn't infected, it probably soon will be since you have indicated it is not healing on its own.

Treat the fish with Maracyn Two for Saltwater fishes. Use a double dose than that recommended on the medicine.

The above treatment, along with a shift in foods/feeding should show the fish with improvement in a few days.

SeahorseBT · 10-27-2008, 05:53 PM

Hey Lee, I just read your post. The fish was and is still eating very well, he is a pig.Also, the spot seems to have healed now, all that remains is a faint white area. Should I give him another few days? As for the Hyper-Melaninization, he hosts a frogspawn coral. Is this harmful to the fish's health? I had been feeding mysis but after your post in the BSJF club, I picked up some food similar to Rods food that contains a long list of ingrediants. I can list them out if you would like...

leebca · 10-28-2008, 07:50 PM

It sounds like the fish has healed enough to no longer need to be kept separate (if that is what you're asking?)

I have 'strong feelings' about fishes displaying hyper-melanization. Hobbyists think it is no big deal, BUT the fish is being stung. Although radical (you think?) I'd like to put the hobbyists in a room of a few dozen 'hungry' mosquitoes and let them live with them and a fresh supply of mosquitoes daily to get across what the fish is going through.

A fish that doesn't recover from hyper-melanization in a couple of weeks in its display tank should be separated from the source of the 'stings.' I can't rationalize the discomfort of the fish just because it 'looks healthy, happy, and is eating.'

I'm glad you've improved the fish's nutrition.

SeahorseBT · 10-28-2008, 09:36 PM

Good to hear I can move him back. I see what you mean about the hyper melanization. I am just confused that if the fish is feeling pain then why does he continue to host the coral? I am moving all the LPS out of that tank soon anyway. Thanks for all the great advice.

SeahorseBT · 10-28-2008, 10:35 PM

He's back in. There was some initial agression with the female which has now subsiided.

leebca · 10-29-2008, 08:44 AM

We (the science community) aren't totally convinced that fish feel pain. It was long thought that they don't. However, some recent studies may yet prove otherwise. This would be a major impact on the sport fishermen 'catch and release' policy of there being no harm done to the fish.

The drive to host is very strong in these fishes. They will host in invertebrates that aren't even the correct ones, or ones (like this) that aren't in their best interest. Some species and even some individuals within species are picky about their host; others just 'sleep around.'

10-09-2008, 06:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
SeahorseBT Reef Lobster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Libertyville, IL Posts: 1,309 View Gallery Karma Komment	White speck on clownfish? I have had this clown for a year and a half now and the last fish I added was a BSJF about 3 months ago that died due to unknow causes. I moved him into QT and will try to get a pic. Water quality is fine. Normal behevior. No specks on female. The speck is very raised and right before the thrid stripe. Should I freshwater dip him? __________________ -Blake http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ahorses-2.html Raising S. Erectus Seahorses! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html -My 34 gallon mixed reef.

10-09-2008, 07:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
SeahorseBT Reef Lobster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Libertyville, IL Posts: 1,309 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: White speck on clownfish? Now it just looks like a sore.I might have knocked it off when I moved him. Here's the best pic I could get. I will try to get a better one. You can see it at the end right before the third stripe. __________________ -Blake http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ahorses-2.html Raising S. Erectus Seahorses! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html -My 34 gallon mixed reef.

10-09-2008, 07:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
CATALYST Reef Lobster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,265 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: White speck on clownfish? Mine have specs once in awhile. Mine end up being some sort of tank debris and it falls off after a couple days. Good putting him in QT. I can't tell from the pics. Watch him for a couple days and see if there is change and maybe another pic might help. __________________

10-09-2008, 07:41 PM	#4 (permalink)
SeahorseBT Reef Lobster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Libertyville, IL Posts: 1,309 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: White speck on clownfish? I made a mistake, the spot is right before the thrid dtripe not the first. I edited it now. I can circle it if that helps... __________________ -Blake http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ahorses-2.html Raising S. Erectus Seahorses! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html -My 34 gallon mixed reef.

10-09-2008, 07:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
new reefer 03 Achilles Tang Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 831 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: White speck on clownfish? i would say ich, if it isnt gone in a week.

10-09-2008, 08:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
SeahorseBT Reef Lobster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Libertyville, IL Posts: 1,309 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: White speck on clownfish? Ich is more of a bump while this looks like a sore to me. __________________ -Blake http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ahorses-2.html Raising S. Erectus Seahorses! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html -My 34 gallon mixed reef.

10-09-2008, 10:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 21,924 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: White speck on clownfish? What I see doesn't look like ich. Not sure what it is but could be a scrape or something like mentioned above. Ich looks like a sprinkling of salt or sugar. Sometime very little but I don't remember ever seeing one spot like that. Keep him in QT a couple of days and see how he is. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back.

10-12-2008, 08:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
SeahorseBT Reef Lobster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Libertyville, IL Posts: 1,309 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: White speck on clownfish? Still no change. I saw him scratching today too.Should I try a fresh water dip? __________________ -Blake http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ahorses-2.html Raising S. Erectus Seahorses! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html -My 34 gallon mixed reef.

10-13-2008, 12:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
leebca Scopas Tang Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: So CA Posts: 436 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: White speck on clownfish? Besides the mysterious white spot, the fish seems to be displaying signs of Hyper-Melaninization. Between the two conditions it would appear the fish suffered injury of being stung or harmed by some other means. I don't easily see if you say the fish is eating in any of your posts. Assuming the fish is eating, make sure it is getting proper nutrition and even some immune boosters (vitamin and fat supplements). You want to read through both of these posts: Feeding Marine Fish and Marine Fish Nutrition and Different Forms of Marine Fish Foods I don't believe a FW dip will help here. If the spot isn't infected, it probably soon will be since you have indicated it is not healing on its own. Treat the fish with Maracyn Two for Saltwater fishes. Use a double dose than that recommended on the medicine. The above treatment, along with a shift in foods/feeding should show the fish with improvement in a few days. __________________ LEE

10-27-2008, 05:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
SeahorseBT Reef Lobster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Libertyville, IL Posts: 1,309 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: White speck on clownfish? Hey Lee, I just read your post. The fish was and is still eating very well, he is a pig.Also, the spot seems to have healed now, all that remains is a faint white area. Should I give him another few days? As for the Hyper-Melaninization, he hosts a frogspawn coral. Is this harmful to the fish's health? I had been feeding mysis but after your post in the BSJF club, I picked up some food similar to Rods food that contains a long list of ingrediants. I can list them out if you would like... __________________ -Blake http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ahorses-2.html Raising S. Erectus Seahorses! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html -My 34 gallon mixed reef.

10-28-2008, 07:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
leebca Scopas Tang Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: So CA Posts: 436 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: White speck on clownfish? It sounds like the fish has healed enough to no longer need to be kept separate (if that is what you're asking?) I have 'strong feelings' about fishes displaying hyper-melanization. Hobbyists think it is no big deal, BUT the fish is being stung. Although radical (you think?) I'd like to put the hobbyists in a room of a few dozen 'hungry' mosquitoes and let them live with them and a fresh supply of mosquitoes daily to get across what the fish is going through. A fish that doesn't recover from hyper-melanization in a couple of weeks in its display tank should be separated from the source of the 'stings.' I can't rationalize the discomfort of the fish just because it 'looks healthy, happy, and is eating.' I'm glad you've improved the fish's nutrition. __________________ LEE

10-28-2008, 09:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
SeahorseBT Reef Lobster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Libertyville, IL Posts: 1,309 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: White speck on clownfish? Good to hear I can move him back. I see what you mean about the hyper melanization. I am just confused that if the fish is feeling pain then why does he continue to host the coral? I am moving all the LPS out of that tank soon anyway. Thanks for all the great advice. __________________ -Blake http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ahorses-2.html Raising S. Erectus Seahorses! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html -My 34 gallon mixed reef.

10-28-2008, 10:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
SeahorseBT Reef Lobster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Libertyville, IL Posts: 1,309 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: White speck on clownfish? He's back in. There was some initial agression with the female which has now subsiided. __________________ -Blake http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ahorses-2.html Raising S. Erectus Seahorses! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...chronicle.html -My 34 gallon mixed reef.

10-29-2008, 08:44 AM	#14 (permalink)
leebca Scopas Tang Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: So CA Posts: 436 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: White speck on clownfish? We (the science community) aren't totally convinced that fish feel pain. It was long thought that they don't. However, some recent studies may yet prove otherwise. This would be a major impact on the sport fishermen 'catch and release' policy of there being no harm done to the fish. The drive to host is very strong in these fishes. They will host in invertebrates that aren't even the correct ones, or ones (like this) that aren't in their best interest. Some species and even some individuals within species are picky about their host; others just 'sleep around.' __________________ LEE

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