Help Foxface Dying

75reef · 06-30-2008, 06:07 PM

Hey all! I have a foxface that wasn't acting himself yesterday. Just a little more lathargic and not eating a whole lot. Today when I got home from work, he is on his side. He tries to swim a little more and then stops on his side again. My water parameters are text book perfect and there are no signs of an bacteria or Ich. This is kindof out of the blue. I just have no idea what could be causing this.

Any ideas of what could be causing this without any visible symptoms?

thanks!

Frankie · 06-30-2008, 06:15 PM

Sound internal or there is something up in your water that you are not testing for.
Pictures go a long way in cases like this. Not just the fish but the whole tank also. I particularly want to see the surface. How old is this setup?

PEMfish · 06-30-2008, 07:34 PM

Has anything at all changed in what you do or don't do?

Snelly40 · 06-30-2008, 09:04 PM

any word on him, foxfaces are quite hardy

75reef · 06-30-2008, 09:28 PM

Sorry for the late reply. There has been nothing done differently. My other fish are great and I have 5 corals that are doing great. They are the quickest to let me know if there is something going wrong with the water. He is the same as of now. I moved him over to my wifes smaller tank just incase there is anything in my water. I also treated with some antibacterial solution. He doesn't seem any worse right now but he does not seem any better either.

Snelly40 · 06-30-2008, 09:31 PM

good luck buddy, hopefully he pulls through!

75reef · 06-30-2008, 09:33 PM

has anybody ever had a fish to this point of dying, laying on its side and actually had it recover?

lcstorc · 06-30-2008, 09:52 PM

Moving to the fish disease forum.
Post all parameters and pics. Tank specs, time established etc. Anything you can think of and hopefully someone will recognize the problem.

PEMfish · 06-30-2008, 10:17 PM

How long has he been in there?

75reef · 06-30-2008, 10:18 PM

about 3 months. This tank has been established for about a year and a half. Thats when I completely redid the tank.

leebca · 07-01-2008, 05:24 PM

A marine fish will often slowly die from being malnourished or having problematic water quality. I doubt either would be the case here, but I don't know what you feed, how often you feed, the supplements you use, or whether your source water may contain something not tested for, to which this fish has a problem with. Not all fish will die or suffer the same fate at the same time from these kinds of things, despite popular belief.

The most likely scenario is the fish is not acclimated to captive care or poisoned now or at the time of capture to your display. Acclimation takes anywhere from a few hours to a year. It begins with how the fish was handled since it was captured. Some of that is out of your control. The portion in your control is how the fish was acclimated to your system. This part however, is a very small part of acclimation for a fish that has lived this long in captivity.

There is nothing you can do about the acclimation issue, except pray, sacrifice chickens, chant, or whatever you prefer to do when you need Supreme Being intervention. If the fish was caught with poisons or chemicals, there is also nothing you can do.

06-30-2008, 06:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
75reef Fire Coral Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: eastern PA Posts: 76 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Help Foxface Dying Hey all! I have a foxface that wasn't acting himself yesterday. Just a little more lathargic and not eating a whole lot. Today when I got home from work, he is on his side. He tries to swim a little more and then stops on his side again. My water parameters are text book perfect and there are no signs of an bacteria or Ich. This is kindof out of the blue. I just have no idea what could be causing this. Any ideas of what could be causing this without any visible symptoms? thanks! __________________ 75 Gal. All-Glass, 90 lbs. live rock, Mega Flow sump, CPR overflow, Outer Orbit 150Wx2 MH / 130Wx2 dual actinic, AquaC EV-90 skimmer.

06-30-2008, 06:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
Frankie Angel Girl's Daddy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The End Of The World Posts: 8,598 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Foxface Dying Sound internal or there is something up in your water that you are not testing for. Pictures go a long way in cases like this. Not just the fish but the whole tank also. I particularly want to see the surface. How old is this setup? __________________ If we ignore the environment maybe it will just go away....

06-30-2008, 07:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,461 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Foxface Dying Has anything at all changed in what you do or don't do? __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

06-30-2008, 09:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Snelly40 Golden Moray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,960 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help Foxface Dying any word on him, foxfaces are quite hardy __________________ Snelly's 90gal Reef-O-Rama *Member-"Crabs Are Evil" Society*

06-30-2008, 09:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
75reef Fire Coral Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: eastern PA Posts: 76 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Foxface Dying Sorry for the late reply. There has been nothing done differently. My other fish are great and I have 5 corals that are doing great. They are the quickest to let me know if there is something going wrong with the water. He is the same as of now. I moved him over to my wifes smaller tank just incase there is anything in my water. I also treated with some antibacterial solution. He doesn't seem any worse right now but he does not seem any better either. __________________ 75 Gal. All-Glass, 90 lbs. live rock, Mega Flow sump, CPR overflow, Outer Orbit 150Wx2 MH / 130Wx2 dual actinic, AquaC EV-90 skimmer.

06-30-2008, 09:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
Snelly40 Golden Moray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,960 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help Foxface Dying good luck buddy, hopefully he pulls through! __________________ Snelly's 90gal Reef-O-Rama *Member-"Crabs Are Evil" Society*

06-30-2008, 09:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
75reef Fire Coral Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: eastern PA Posts: 76 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Foxface Dying has anybody ever had a fish to this point of dying, laying on its side and actually had it recover? __________________ 75 Gal. All-Glass, 90 lbs. live rock, Mega Flow sump, CPR overflow, Outer Orbit 150Wx2 MH / 130Wx2 dual actinic, AquaC EV-90 skimmer.

06-30-2008, 09:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 20,982 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Foxface Dying Moving to the fish disease forum. Post all parameters and pics. Tank specs, time established etc. Anything you can think of and hopefully someone will recognize the problem. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back. In Loving Memory Of Z 01/22/07 - 08/19/08

06-30-2008, 10:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,461 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Foxface Dying How long has he been in there? __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

06-30-2008, 10:18 PM	#10 (permalink)
75reef Fire Coral Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: eastern PA Posts: 76 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Help Foxface Dying about 3 months. This tank has been established for about a year and a half. Thats when I completely redid the tank. __________________ 75 Gal. All-Glass, 90 lbs. live rock, Mega Flow sump, CPR overflow, Outer Orbit 150Wx2 MH / 130Wx2 dual actinic, AquaC EV-90 skimmer.

07-01-2008, 05:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
leebca Cabbage Leather Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: So CA Posts: 391 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Help Foxface Dying A marine fish will often slowly die from being malnourished or having problematic water quality. I doubt either would be the case here, but I don't know what you feed, how often you feed, the supplements you use, or whether your source water may contain something not tested for, to which this fish has a problem with. Not all fish will die or suffer the same fate at the same time from these kinds of things, despite popular belief. The most likely scenario is the fish is not acclimated to captive care or poisoned now or at the time of capture to your display. Acclimation takes anywhere from a few hours to a year. It begins with how the fish was handled since it was captured. Some of that is out of your control. The portion in your control is how the fish was acclimated to your system. This part however, is a very small part of acclimation for a fish that has lived this long in captivity. There is nothing you can do about the acclimation issue, except pray, sacrifice chickens, chant, or whatever you prefer to do when you need Supreme Being intervention. If the fish was caught with poisons or chemicals, there is also nothing you can do. __________________ LEE

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