Can ich disappear on its own?

Bikinibottom · 11-01-2007, 08:33 AM

I just started over my blue tang Dori was the only survivor. I quarantined her. I gave my old tank to my parents after starting over. So now with my great new set up, new tank, new sump which has been set up over two monthes, my fish suddenly have ich. My newest addition a sailfin tang that just died two days after I purchased him may be the cause. What now? I soaked there food in garlic this morning. I'm tempted to do a fresh water dip if I can catch the guys. I can't catch the puffer with my hands and afraid he will puff up if I try to catch him with a net. I guess I would have to set the fresh water to the right temp. I do have a nine gallon nano tank I could set up.

Gina

blue_eyes53813 · 11-01-2007, 08:46 AM

Not ich again.. Im sorry to hear that. Healthy fish can fight off ich, The fish are most likely showing ich from stress. You eliminate the stress and the fish can fight off the ich before it gets to bad. My tangs HATE it when the tank temp drops below 80. I keep my tank at 80-81 all the time and they never have spots. if it drops within hours my hippo tang has a spot or two.

Point is I guess. Try to figure out what is stressing them and fix it. Soak all food in garlic and vitamins. UV sterilizer if you have one, Keep good flow in the tank so ich will flow into the over flow and possibly into filters in the sump. Change-rinse-clean clean clean the filters. I bleached my filter socks to kill any ich in the socks.

Oh back to the flow issue. Near the sandbed is the most important to keep the flow high. The ich spores settle on the sand/substrate in its cycle before attaching to the fish.

tippMANn98 · 11-01-2007, 09:05 AM

if I could add something Blue Eyes, Ich's total Life cycle is about 2 weeks from start to finish....If they are healthy they basically live through the life cycle.....blue eyes is totally right though....garlic is used in dog and cat food to help keep fleas away naturally...GARLIC- I know I love it...all kinds of great uses!!!!

Dentoid · 11-01-2007, 09:17 AM

The strictest answer to your question is "Yes" it can diappear on its own, but not as long as fish are in the tank. Take a look at these links for a through education on ich.

http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ths-facts.html
http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-immunity.html
http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...t-process.html
http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...step-step.html

BigAl07 · 11-01-2007, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tippMANn98

if I could add something Blue Eyes, Ich's total Life cycle is about 2 weeks from start to finish....If they are healthy they basically live through the life cycle.....blue eyes is totally right though....garlic is used in dog and cat food to help keep fleas away naturally...GARLIC- I know I love it...all kinds of great uses!!!!

Daniel is partly correct (with all due respect buddy

) The active part of the Life Cycle is roughly2-3 weeks but one portion of the stage can live almost indefinitely in the gills of the fish. This is one reason why it's so hard to completely wipe it out. Fortunately this stage is only a precursor to what the parasite is designed to do (reproduce) so it usually only stays at this stage a week or so (depending on water temps) and then release into the water column to lie dormant for a short period before being expelled from it's protective cyst to become free swimming and looking for it's next host.

Due to this one stage being "variable" at best most recent studies have shown the best treatment to be to assume (carefully worded here) that the life cycle is not just 2 -3 weeks (which is the active portion of the cycle) but to assume that the Ich will stay in it's Trophonts stage slightly longer and allow for this extra time when planning your treatment and or QT time.

Good luck and be patient. It's not a quick process but it can be controlled if not beaten

Allen

Bikinibottom · 11-01-2007, 09:42 AM

Thank you I will read up on it. I will also work on eliminating any stress. I will keep everyone posted. These fish were fine yesterday hard to believe.

Gina

AQTCJAK · 11-01-2007, 11:00 AM

It sounds as if you LFS has an issue with ICH to me

Bikinibottom · 11-01-2007, 06:26 PM

I have a question about the temperature. I normally kept my tank at 80 until I had the sump installed. Someone came to the house said my digital thermometer was set too high. Right now my tank is 76.6 so I guess i will try putting it a little warmer. My nitrates are a yellow orange more yellow than orange. What's a good temp for a puffer?

leebca · 11-01-2007, 06:51 PM

To help answer your questions, you should read this link: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ths-facts.html

Healthy and sick fish can contract and act as carriers to Marine Ich Cryptocaryon irritans. A good quarantine process should keep this parasite out of your home marine system.

I have not had Marine Ich in my home marine systems for more than 38 years now by following a good quarantine process and some prophylactic treatments on certain Tangs. See this link for what I do: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...step-step.html

Marine Ich has been studied for over 100 years and we know a lot about it. Average stage times in the life cycle can vary as much as 200% so there is always a chance to get contaminated if you don't take into account just how long the stages in the cycle can last. Dr. Burgess for instance, found a cyst that lasted over 60 days before moving onto its next stage. This is abnormal but possible.

We know that a FW dip will not cure the fish, but it can help a fish if it is particularly infected in the gills. The Marine Ich is protected from the FW by the fish's own mucous coating and top layers of skin.

If you want it out permanently, follow the quarantine guidelines and the information provided in the above link.

Good luck!

AQTCJAK · 11-01-2007, 07:04 PM

78-80 is a good range

Bikinibottom · 11-01-2007, 07:36 PM

okay I set the temperature I'm on my way to get the nano tank from my parents, I just hope I can catch these fish to put them in the quarantine. I watched the man who set up my sump pick up puff with his hands not too sure about that I will work on him last

BigAl07 · 11-01-2007, 08:29 PM

I saw one VERY entangled in a net a while back.... the LFS owner had a time getting him out without harming him and he didn't look overly happy bobbing around all swollen when I left. Good luck girl.

Allen

AQTCJAK · 11-01-2007, 08:31 PM

most puffers are very friendly a bowl will catch most of them

tbittner · 11-01-2007, 11:38 PM

When I bought my puffer, they caught him in a speciman container, then put a bag in the water and he actually swam into it. They are friendly, curious creatures. Just be gentle and do your best to not get him to blow up.

I believe it's also best to try to keep him in water at all times and don't let them get exposed to air.

Cal Native · 11-02-2007, 01:27 AM

I had a problem with ich once, caused by stress do to a mean, nasty pseudochromis. No fish could eat, sleep or do anything without being chased around. I installed a UV, feed garlic laced food and added vitamin C Drops. Ich went away but so did the pseudochromis, I havn't had an ich problem since. I hope you don't lose any of your fine finned friends. Good Luck.

11-01-2007, 08:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
Bikinibottom Bryozoan Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 48 View Gallery Karma Komment	Can ich disappear on its own? I just started over my blue tang Dori was the only survivor. I quarantined her. I gave my old tank to my parents after starting over. So now with my great new set up, new tank, new sump which has been set up over two monthes, my fish suddenly have ich. My newest addition a sailfin tang that just died two days after I purchased him may be the cause. What now? I soaked there food in garlic this morning. I'm tempted to do a fresh water dip if I can catch the guys. I can't catch the puffer with my hands and afraid he will puff up if I try to catch him with a net. I guess I would have to set the fresh water to the right temp. I do have a nine gallon nano tank I could set up. Gina __________________ New Tank 55 Gallon Odyssea Had 30 gallon for a year New sump with overflow box odyssea light coral life skimmer 80 lbs live rock

11-01-2007, 08:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
blue_eyes53813 Hey!Its not my fault Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lancaster, Wisconsin Posts: 6,255 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Can ich disappear on its own? Not ich again.. Im sorry to hear that. Healthy fish can fight off ich, The fish are most likely showing ich from stress. You eliminate the stress and the fish can fight off the ich before it gets to bad. My tangs HATE it when the tank temp drops below 80. I keep my tank at 80-81 all the time and they never have spots. if it drops within hours my hippo tang has a spot or two. Point is I guess. Try to figure out what is stressing them and fix it. Soak all food in garlic and vitamins. UV sterilizer if you have one, Keep good flow in the tank so ich will flow into the over flow and possibly into filters in the sump. Change-rinse-clean clean clean the filters. I bleached my filter socks to kill any ich in the socks. Oh back to the flow issue. Near the sandbed is the most important to keep the flow high. The ich spores settle on the sand/substrate in its cycle before attaching to the fish. __________________ 265 Gallon Reef built into basement wall. Lighting = 6x250 watts MH, 2x96 watt PC ,and 2x140 watt VHO for a total watt of 1,972 watts . New addition on 4-14-07 of 100 gallon sump and 100 gallon refugium. I think I have lost my mind. Gotta love this hobby Vicki Life is like a pathway of untrodden snow. Be careful how you step in it for every mark will show Definition of FRIENDSHIP: All lives touch other lives to create something new and alive My tank chronicles. http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...wall-reef.html

11-01-2007, 09:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
Dentoid Over Achiever Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 10,239 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Can ich disappear on its own? The strictest answer to your question is "Yes" it can diappear on its own, but not as long as fish are in the tank. Take a look at these links for a through education on ich. http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ths-facts.html http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-immunity.html http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...t-process.html http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...step-step.html __________________ Scott Dentoid's Reeforama

11-01-2007, 09:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
Bikinibottom Bryozoan Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 48 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Can ich disappear on its own? Thank you I will read up on it. I will also work on eliminating any stress. I will keep everyone posted. These fish were fine yesterday hard to believe. Gina __________________ New Tank 55 Gallon Odyssea Had 30 gallon for a year New sump with overflow box odyssea light coral life skimmer 80 lbs live rock

11-01-2007, 11:00 AM	#7 (permalink)
AQTCJAK Tiger Shark Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,936 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Can ich disappear on its own? It sounds as if you LFS has an issue with ICH to me __________________ A Wiseman once said build a stage add a pole & they will dance - Jack 2007 www.aquaticaggression.com Projects & Chronicels http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...car-buffs.html http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...nts-tanks.html

11-01-2007, 06:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bikinibottom Bryozoan Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 48 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Can ich disappear on its own? I have a question about the temperature. I normally kept my tank at 80 until I had the sump installed. Someone came to the house said my digital thermometer was set too high. Right now my tank is 76.6 so I guess i will try putting it a little warmer. My nitrates are a yellow orange more yellow than orange. What's a good temp for a puffer? __________________ New Tank 55 Gallon Odyssea Had 30 gallon for a year New sump with overflow box odyssea light coral life skimmer 80 lbs live rock

11-01-2007, 06:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
leebca Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: So CA Posts: 297 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Can ich disappear on its own? To help answer your questions, you should read this link: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ths-facts.html Healthy and sick fish can contract and act as carriers to Marine Ich Cryptocaryon irritans. A good quarantine process should keep this parasite out of your home marine system. I have not had Marine Ich in my home marine systems for more than 38 years now by following a good quarantine process and some prophylactic treatments on certain Tangs. See this link for what I do: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...step-step.html Marine Ich has been studied for over 100 years and we know a lot about it. Average stage times in the life cycle can vary as much as 200% so there is always a chance to get contaminated if you don't take into account just how long the stages in the cycle can last. Dr. Burgess for instance, found a cyst that lasted over 60 days before moving onto its next stage. This is abnormal but possible. We know that a FW dip will not cure the fish, but it can help a fish if it is particularly infected in the gills. The Marine Ich is protected from the FW by the fish's own mucous coating and top layers of skin. If you want it out permanently, follow the quarantine guidelines and the information provided in the above link. Good luck! __________________ LEE

11-01-2007, 07:04 PM	#10 (permalink)
AQTCJAK Tiger Shark Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,936 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Can ich disappear on its own? 78-80 is a good range __________________ A Wiseman once said build a stage add a pole & they will dance - Jack 2007 www.aquaticaggression.com Projects & Chronicels http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...car-buffs.html http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...nts-tanks.html

11-01-2007, 07:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
Bikinibottom Bryozoan Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 48 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Can ich disappear on its own? okay I set the temperature I'm on my way to get the nano tank from my parents, I just hope I can catch these fish to put them in the quarantine. I watched the man who set up my sump pick up puff with his hands not too sure about that I will work on him last __________________ New Tank 55 Gallon Odyssea Had 30 gallon for a year New sump with overflow box odyssea light coral life skimmer 80 lbs live rock

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BigAl07 Reef Addict (hopeless) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 10,619 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Can ich disappear on its own? I saw one VERY entangled in a net a while back.... the LFS owner had a time getting him out without harming him and he didn't look overly happy bobbing around all swollen when I left. Good luck girl. Allen __________________ Allen Allen's testimonial . . ."Let Me help you help YOURSELF" (Click Here) with a SW set up there is one basic fundamental rule that we ALL should follow *When in doubt... wait it out. This means take it slow and let the tank "develop" and don't rush it. Time is your friend Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef Reef Balls & Cakes Debt Free & Change your Family Tree!!

11-01-2007, 08:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
AQTCJAK Tiger Shark Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 6,936 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Can ich disappear on its own? most puffers are very friendly a bowl will catch most of them __________________ A Wiseman once said build a stage add a pole & they will dance - Jack 2007 www.aquaticaggression.com Projects & Chronicels http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...car-buffs.html http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...nts-tanks.html

11-01-2007, 11:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
tbittner Watch this Ma! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern VA Posts: 5,562 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Can ich disappear on its own? When I bought my puffer, they caught him in a speciman container, then put a bag in the water and he actually swam into it. They are friendly, curious creatures. Just be gentle and do your best to not get him to blow up. I believe it's also best to try to keep him in water at all times and don't let them get exposed to air. __________________ Terry 150g predator tank full of killers. Soon to be upgraded to a 360g. 450g reef 300g sump.

11-02-2007, 01:27 AM	#15 (permalink)
Cal Native Serpent Star Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 202 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Can ich disappear on its own? I had a problem with ich once, caused by stress do to a mean, nasty pseudochromis. No fish could eat, sleep or do anything without being chased around. I installed a UV, feed garlic laced food and added vitamin C Drops. Ich went away but so did the pseudochromis, I havn't had an ich problem since. I hope you don't lose any of your fine finned friends. Good Luck.

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