2 new fish, but 1 had ich!

rebekwl · 10-23-2007, 04:13 PM

I went out to the LFS and bought 2 new fish Saturday. I got a tiny Scopas Tang and a Pink Skunk Clown. I examined both thoroughly before purchasing them, but noticed 1 little spot on the Skunk Clowns tail after she was in the tank. Now the Tang, Clarkii, and Fiji Devil all have ich.

I'm guessing the Skunk Clown still has it too, but she hides behind the rocks so I can't see her. We are going on vacation in 4 weeks, so we can't take them all out and QT them for 6-8 weeks, because we will not be able to do water changes, etc while we're gone. I'm pretty worried about this, because last time we had ich all of the fish died. Is there anything I can do to make them feel better until we are able to do the proper treatment? I'm thinking about getting some Garlic and Selcon and hoping they all grow an immunity. I'm pretty down about this

Any suggestions?

michael_cb_125 · 10-23-2007, 04:18 PM

In one of my nanos I had Ick. I used garlic in all of the foods. I even added it directly to the water. As long as there is no stress on the fish they should be ok. Stress is what really makes fish successible to ICK. Make sure that the temp. does not fluctuate, and check all of your levels. The tang, is the one that I would be most concerned about. Make sure that there is little or no stress on the fish.

rebekwl · 10-23-2007, 04:21 PM

Thanks Michael. I'm hoping the Tang will look better today, he seemed to be alot more comfortable yesterday than he was Sat/Sun. Will fresh Garlic work, or should I buy the SW Supplement?

Dentoid · 10-23-2007, 04:21 PM

Rebekah sorry to hear that! Take a look at this Sticky, there may be some helpful information in here:

Marine Ich-Myths and Facts

rebekwl · 10-23-2007, 04:23 PM

Thanks Scott! I read that a few minutes ago, and it pretty much says that all I'm hoping for won't work

I'm still going to try a few things though, and see how it all works out.

Woodstock · 10-23-2007, 04:25 PM

Sorry for your troubles

I recommend removing all fish and treat them in a hospital tank while you let the main display go fallow (fish free) for 8 weeks. Until you get back from your trip, feed them very well making sure to add garlic to their food. Keep any stressors to a minimum so they are not weakened further. You can however start cycling your hospital tank now!!

I am currently in the process of cycling a hospital tank to do this very thing due to me neglecting to QT new fish.

A quarantine period of at least 4 weeks is necessary (much longer if the fish must be treated) to be sure you don't add a disease to your main display.

Please review all of the awesome information that Leebca has written regarding disease, QT, treatment, etc... http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/saltwater-fish/

prow · 10-23-2007, 04:35 PM

humm do you have a sump? you could use it, detatch it from main tank, to hold the fish and use hypo salinity in it, toss a few peices of rock, that should keep the fish cool till you get back. powerheads and drop the heater in the main tank and keep one in the sump.

or you can see if someone here can care for them while your gone, where do you live?

Dentoid · 10-23-2007, 04:43 PM

That's a great idea! It never dawned on me, I'll have to keep that in mind.

rebekwl · 10-23-2007, 05:02 PM

Thanks Prow, that is a great idea. I do have a sump, it's only 20 gal though and I'm concerned about the fish being in such a small volume of water while I'm gone. I have a feeling I'd have to do very frequent water changes while they were in such a small tank. All my fish are in my sig + a very small Tang and Pink Skunk Clown. All the fish are fairly small, clowns are probably medium. What do you think? It would be perfect if I could start treatment now, then it would be finished not long after I got back.

lcstorc · 10-23-2007, 05:53 PM

If you have 4 weeks till you leave, you have time to start treatment now. I would set up a qt tank and start treating with hyposalinity. Yes you are going to need to do a lot of water changes but if you have a sponge or other filter media you can take from your display that will help the cycle as well. Meanwhile soak food in garlic (yes regular garlic will do) and if possible get a UV sterilizer. Yes it only kills one stage of the parasite but I believe it does help.

rebekwl · 10-24-2007, 12:45 PM

Thanks alot Lynn. I'll be looking into buying/burrowing a tank that's at least 50 gal. I am going to post on our local forum and see if anyone has one sitting around that they can spare for a few weeks. I really don't want to have to buy one, because I already have a QT, but it is currentlly the home of our super mean Blue Devil Damsel, that I can not seem to get rid of. I also DO NOT have room for another tank in my house. It's already a fish sanctuary, lol.

I can have some rock in the tank of I'm just doing hyposalinity right? I want to have as much bio-filtration as possible, and I will remove any rock I put in there if I absolutely have to do copper treatment (which I'm hoping I won't). I don't currently have any sponges in my display, would it be too late to get one now? If not, what should I be looking for?

I put some fresh garlic in with their food yesterday, and will continue to do so daily. The Tang was looking a ton better yesterday, no spots at all, so I'm hoping he's building immunity to those nasty creatures. I can't really see the pink skunk clown, but I'm pretty sure she has it. My Clarkii is stressing her pretty bad. I thought she would leave her alone since their markings are so different, guess not. I'm hoping the Clarkii will leave her alone so she can work on getting better. I'd hate to lose her

I almost forgot, will it be safe to leave the tank without doing water changes while we're gone for an entire week?

lcstorc · 10-24-2007, 12:55 PM

THat depends on how far it has gone in it's cycle. I would go ahead and put a sponge or two in the DT now to get them populated with bacteria. Then add them to the HT in a couple of weeks. Can't hurt IMO. If you put lr in there it may loose it's life in hypo but unless you use copper you can put it back in the display as base at least.
See if you can find any local reefers who can help out while you are away.

Woodstock · 10-24-2007, 01:56 PM

If you're thinking about doing a hypo treatment, read Leebca's extensive info: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...t-process.html

kyle1284 · 10-24-2007, 02:05 PM

good luck im attempting to save a fish that has ich... my friend did not have any QT tank and was gonna flush it down a toilet but i saved it and it just happened to be a 5 inch hippo!! got it for 30 bucks but in all seriousness... good luck

Jake · 10-24-2007, 11:58 PM

I would suggest using garlic on all foods that enter the tank right away. Buy the liquid, it is easy. I had a round of ick and all my fish got it but my pajama cardinal had it extremely bad, covered both his eyes and body. Garlic, garlic, garlic, patients, water change, patients, and low stess environment. I guess I got lucky, all my fish made it. Good luck. It is best if you can remove and treat, but if you can't there is still hope. I still use garlic for feeding 50% of the time.

10-23-2007, 04:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
rebekwl Achilles Tang Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 846 View Gallery Karma Komment	2 new fish, but 1 had ich! I went out to the LFS and bought 2 new fish Saturday. I got a tiny Scopas Tang and a Pink Skunk Clown. I examined both thoroughly before purchasing them, but noticed 1 little spot on the Skunk Clowns tail after she was in the tank. Now the Tang, Clarkii, and Fiji Devil all have ich. I'm guessing the Skunk Clown still has it too, but she hides behind the rocks so I can't see her. We are going on vacation in 4 weeks, so we can't take them all out and QT them for 6-8 weeks, because we will not be able to do water changes, etc while we're gone. I'm pretty worried about this, because last time we had ich all of the fish died. Is there anything I can do to make them feel better until we are able to do the proper treatment? I'm thinking about getting some Garlic and Selcon and hoping they all grow an immunity. I'm pretty down about this Any suggestions? __________________ Rebekah Member of: Snails Are Stupid Society 90 Gallon Display w/ 2-3" LS & 100-120 lbs. LR. 20 Gal sump w/fuge that has 4" sand, LR and rubble, and Chaeto. CUC - Lots of assorted snails, 3 conchs, Serpent Starfish, Hermit Crabs, Skunk Cleaner Shrimp, 2 Sand Sifting Starfish (I think that's it). Fish - Bi-Color Blenny, Orange Spotted Prawn Goby, Scooter Blenny, Clarkii Clownfish, Yellow Watchman Goby, Fiji Devil Damsel, Tomini Tang, Sailfin Tang, Lawnmower Blenny, and Pink Skunk Clown. Corals/inverts - Pink Branching Hammer Coral, Green Branching Hammer Coral, Torch Coral, Frogspawn, Bubble Coral, Neon Green Fungia, Green Star Polyps, Cup Mushroom, Green Candy Cane, Kenya Tree, Pom Pom Xenia, Toadstool Leather, Finger Leather, Devil's Hand Leather, LOTS of shrooms (red, green, blue), Orange Sponge, Green Monti Plate, Brown Gorgonian, Blundell Buttons, Flower Pot, Zoanthids, Palys, Green BTA

10-23-2007, 04:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
michael_cb_125 Reef Shark Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Charlotte,NC Posts: 5,600 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: 2 new fish, but 1 had ich! In one of my nanos I had Ick. I used garlic in all of the foods. I even added it directly to the water. As long as there is no stress on the fish they should be ok. Stress is what really makes fish successible to ICK. Make sure that the temp. does not fluctuate, and check all of your levels. The tang, is the one that I would be most concerned about. Make sure that there is little or no stress on the fish. __________________ All Fish are "Semi-Reef Safe"

10-23-2007, 04:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
rebekwl Achilles Tang Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 846 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: 2 new fish, but 1 had ich! Thanks Michael. I'm hoping the Tang will look better today, he seemed to be alot more comfortable yesterday than he was Sat/Sun. Will fresh Garlic work, or should I buy the SW Supplement? __________________ Rebekah Member of: Snails Are Stupid Society 90 Gallon Display w/ 2-3" LS & 100-120 lbs. LR. 20 Gal sump w/fuge that has 4" sand, LR and rubble, and Chaeto. CUC - Lots of assorted snails, 3 conchs, Serpent Starfish, Hermit Crabs, Skunk Cleaner Shrimp, 2 Sand Sifting Starfish (I think that's it). Fish - Bi-Color Blenny, Orange Spotted Prawn Goby, Scooter Blenny, Clarkii Clownfish, Yellow Watchman Goby, Fiji Devil Damsel, Tomini Tang, Sailfin Tang, Lawnmower Blenny, and Pink Skunk Clown. Corals/inverts - Pink Branching Hammer Coral, Green Branching Hammer Coral, Torch Coral, Frogspawn, Bubble Coral, Neon Green Fungia, Green Star Polyps, Cup Mushroom, Green Candy Cane, Kenya Tree, Pom Pom Xenia, Toadstool Leather, Finger Leather, Devil's Hand Leather, LOTS of shrooms (red, green, blue), Orange Sponge, Green Monti Plate, Brown Gorgonian, Blundell Buttons, Flower Pot, Zoanthids, Palys, Green BTA

10-23-2007, 04:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
rebekwl Achilles Tang Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 846 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: 2 new fish, but 1 had ich! Thanks Scott! I read that a few minutes ago, and it pretty much says that all I'm hoping for won't work I'm still going to try a few things though, and see how it all works out. __________________ Rebekah Member of: Snails Are Stupid Society 90 Gallon Display w/ 2-3" LS & 100-120 lbs. LR. 20 Gal sump w/fuge that has 4" sand, LR and rubble, and Chaeto. CUC - Lots of assorted snails, 3 conchs, Serpent Starfish, Hermit Crabs, Skunk Cleaner Shrimp, 2 Sand Sifting Starfish (I think that's it). Fish - Bi-Color Blenny, Orange Spotted Prawn Goby, Scooter Blenny, Clarkii Clownfish, Yellow Watchman Goby, Fiji Devil Damsel, Tomini Tang, Sailfin Tang, Lawnmower Blenny, and Pink Skunk Clown. Corals/inverts - Pink Branching Hammer Coral, Green Branching Hammer Coral, Torch Coral, Frogspawn, Bubble Coral, Neon Green Fungia, Green Star Polyps, Cup Mushroom, Green Candy Cane, Kenya Tree, Pom Pom Xenia, Toadstool Leather, Finger Leather, Devil's Hand Leather, LOTS of shrooms (red, green, blue), Orange Sponge, Green Monti Plate, Brown Gorgonian, Blundell Buttons, Flower Pot, Zoanthids, Palys, Green BTA

10-23-2007, 04:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,502 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: 2 new fish, but 1 had ich! Sorry for your troubles I recommend removing all fish and treat them in a hospital tank while you let the main display go fallow (fish free) for 8 weeks. Until you get back from your trip, feed them very well making sure to add garlic to their food. Keep any stressors to a minimum so they are not weakened further. You can however start cycling your hospital tank now!! I am currently in the process of cycling a hospital tank to do this very thing due to me neglecting to QT new fish. A quarantine period of at least 4 weeks is necessary (much longer if the fish must be treated) to be sure you don't add a disease to your main display. Please review all of the awesome information that Leebca has written regarding disease, QT, treatment, etc... http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/saltwater-fish/ __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Victorious Battle with ICH* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistance conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

10-23-2007, 04:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
prow Tridacna maxima Join Date: May 2005 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 4,728 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: 2 new fish, but 1 had ich! humm do you have a sump? you could use it, detatch it from main tank, to hold the fish and use hypo salinity in it, toss a few peices of rock, that should keep the fish cool till you get back. powerheads and drop the heater in the main tank and keep one in the sump. or you can see if someone here can care for them while your gone, where do you live? __________________ "He who sees things grow from their beginnings shall have the finest view of them" ........Aristotle........ "The only difference between me and a madman is that I'm not mad." - Salvador Dali my chronicle........ http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...al-system.html my clamicle..........http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...my-tank-d.html

10-23-2007, 05:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
rebekwl Achilles Tang Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 846 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: 2 new fish, but 1 had ich! Thanks Prow, that is a great idea. I do have a sump, it's only 20 gal though and I'm concerned about the fish being in such a small volume of water while I'm gone. I have a feeling I'd have to do very frequent water changes while they were in such a small tank. All my fish are in my sig + a very small Tang and Pink Skunk Clown. All the fish are fairly small, clowns are probably medium. What do you think? It would be perfect if I could start treatment now, then it would be finished not long after I got back. __________________ Rebekah Member of: Snails Are Stupid Society 90 Gallon Display w/ 2-3" LS & 100-120 lbs. LR. 20 Gal sump w/fuge that has 4" sand, LR and rubble, and Chaeto. CUC - Lots of assorted snails, 3 conchs, Serpent Starfish, Hermit Crabs, Skunk Cleaner Shrimp, 2 Sand Sifting Starfish (I think that's it). Fish - Bi-Color Blenny, Orange Spotted Prawn Goby, Scooter Blenny, Clarkii Clownfish, Yellow Watchman Goby, Fiji Devil Damsel, Tomini Tang, Sailfin Tang, Lawnmower Blenny, and Pink Skunk Clown. Corals/inverts - Pink Branching Hammer Coral, Green Branching Hammer Coral, Torch Coral, Frogspawn, Bubble Coral, Neon Green Fungia, Green Star Polyps, Cup Mushroom, Green Candy Cane, Kenya Tree, Pom Pom Xenia, Toadstool Leather, Finger Leather, Devil's Hand Leather, LOTS of shrooms (red, green, blue), Orange Sponge, Green Monti Plate, Brown Gorgonian, Blundell Buttons, Flower Pot, Zoanthids, Palys, Green BTA

10-23-2007, 05:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 26,433 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: 2 new fish, but 1 had ich! If you have 4 weeks till you leave, you have time to start treatment now. I would set up a qt tank and start treating with hyposalinity. Yes you are going to need to do a lot of water changes but if you have a sponge or other filter media you can take from your display that will help the cycle as well. Meanwhile soak food in garlic (yes regular garlic will do) and if possible get a UV sterilizer. Yes it only kills one stage of the parasite but I believe it does help. __________________ Peace LYNN Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Lynn's frag tank experiment A reef tank is like a race car. The faster you go the harder you crash.

10-24-2007, 12:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
rebekwl Achilles Tang Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Utah Posts: 846 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: 2 new fish, but 1 had ich! Thanks alot Lynn. I'll be looking into buying/burrowing a tank that's at least 50 gal. I am going to post on our local forum and see if anyone has one sitting around that they can spare for a few weeks. I really don't want to have to buy one, because I already have a QT, but it is currentlly the home of our super mean Blue Devil Damsel, that I can not seem to get rid of. I also DO NOT have room for another tank in my house. It's already a fish sanctuary, lol. I can have some rock in the tank of I'm just doing hyposalinity right? I want to have as much bio-filtration as possible, and I will remove any rock I put in there if I absolutely have to do copper treatment (which I'm hoping I won't). I don't currently have any sponges in my display, would it be too late to get one now? If not, what should I be looking for? I put some fresh garlic in with their food yesterday, and will continue to do so daily. The Tang was looking a ton better yesterday, no spots at all, so I'm hoping he's building immunity to those nasty creatures. I can't really see the pink skunk clown, but I'm pretty sure she has it. My Clarkii is stressing her pretty bad. I thought she would leave her alone since their markings are so different, guess not. I'm hoping the Clarkii will leave her alone so she can work on getting better. I'd hate to lose her I almost forgot, will it be safe to leave the tank without doing water changes while we're gone for an entire week? __________________ Rebekah Member of: Snails Are Stupid Society 90 Gallon Display w/ 2-3" LS & 100-120 lbs. LR. 20 Gal sump w/fuge that has 4" sand, LR and rubble, and Chaeto. CUC - Lots of assorted snails, 3 conchs, Serpent Starfish, Hermit Crabs, Skunk Cleaner Shrimp, 2 Sand Sifting Starfish (I think that's it). Fish - Bi-Color Blenny, Orange Spotted Prawn Goby, Scooter Blenny, Clarkii Clownfish, Yellow Watchman Goby, Fiji Devil Damsel, Tomini Tang, Sailfin Tang, Lawnmower Blenny, and Pink Skunk Clown. Corals/inverts - Pink Branching Hammer Coral, Green Branching Hammer Coral, Torch Coral, Frogspawn, Bubble Coral, Neon Green Fungia, Green Star Polyps, Cup Mushroom, Green Candy Cane, Kenya Tree, Pom Pom Xenia, Toadstool Leather, Finger Leather, Devil's Hand Leather, LOTS of shrooms (red, green, blue), Orange Sponge, Green Monti Plate, Brown Gorgonian, Blundell Buttons, Flower Pot, Zoanthids, Palys, Green BTA

10-24-2007, 12:55 PM	#12 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 26,433 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: 2 new fish, but 1 had ich! THat depends on how far it has gone in it's cycle. I would go ahead and put a sponge or two in the DT now to get them populated with bacteria. Then add them to the HT in a couple of weeks. Can't hurt IMO. If you put lr in there it may loose it's life in hypo but unless you use copper you can put it back in the display as base at least. See if you can find any local reefers who can help out while you are away. __________________ Peace LYNN Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Lynn's frag tank experiment A reef tank is like a race car. The faster you go the harder you crash.

10-24-2007, 01:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 25,502 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: 2 new fish, but 1 had ich! If you're thinking about doing a hypo treatment, read Leebca's extensive info: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...t-process.html __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* *My Victorious Battle with ICH* 120 Reef Chronicle ~ *Breeding Picasso Clownfish~* *Massive 300 gal growout~* *My Anemone & Picasso Tank ~* *Picasso & Snowcasso for sale~* "Energy and persistance conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________

10-24-2007, 02:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
kyle1284 Elegance coral Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Huntsville, TX Posts: 1,061 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: 2 new fish, but 1 had ich! good luck im attempting to save a fish that has ich... my friend did not have any QT tank and was gonna flush it down a toilet but i saved it and it just happened to be a 5 inch hippo!! got it for 30 bucks but in all seriousness... good luck __________________ KYLE 75 Gal 110 Lbs Live Rock 40 Lbs of live sand Equiptment:48 Inch 4x54 T-5 true blue and 10000k lights, 2 fuvual 305 Canister Filters Mis. Mushrooms, Fan Worms, hammer coral, frog spawn, candy cane, A TON OF TRUMPET CORAL!! orange plating monti, some kind of branching monti, pom pom xeina, all kinds of zoos BRIGHT GREEN star polyps, xeina, neon green toadstool, 3 damn damsles, a foxface and a blue tang. November 1...The begining! http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2.../random045.jpg November 8,2008 http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h2...ristina034.jpg My 75 GALLON BAR TOP REEF TANK! http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...n-bar-top.html

10-24-2007, 11:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
Jake Pistol Shrimp Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 267 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: 2 new fish, but 1 had ich! I would suggest using garlic on all foods that enter the tank right away. Buy the liquid, it is easy. I had a round of ick and all my fish got it but my pajama cardinal had it extremely bad, covered both his eyes and body. Garlic, garlic, garlic, patients, water change, patients, and low stess environment. I guess I got lucky, all my fish made it. Good luck. It is best if you can remove and treat, but if you can't there is still hope. I still use garlic for feeding 50% of the time. __________________ 75 Gal Setup 4/07 Fish: Purple Tang 6", Solarensis Fairy Wrasse, Pajama Cardinal, Two Ocellarous Clowns, Firefish Inverts: Few Red leg hermits, Few Turbo Snails, 3 Nassarius Snails, 3 large Trochus Grazer snails, 3 conch, 1 cleaner shrimp, 2 peppermint shrimp Coral: Frogspawn, Blastos, White Candy Cane, Yellow candycane, Fox Coral, African Blue Xenia, Pom Pom Xenia, Long White Polyp Tip Leather, Pink Pavona, Blue, Green, Orange Recordia, Orange Monti Cap, Kenya Tree, Green Star Polyp, Armour of God Zoa, Cat Eye Zoa, Pink Zoa, Red Zoa.

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