New sump ???`s - Page 2

PEMfish · 11-22-2007, 07:51 PM

Or if I put the return pump in the DT with the intake hoked up to a line going into the sump. Ya know, draw water up out of the sump into the DT. With the return pump in the DT. Good idea, yes/no???

PEMfish · 11-22-2007, 09:12 PM

Any one?

sasquatch · 11-22-2007, 09:35 PM

sorry no. via aqu is 200gph at 0'... 34gph at 3... just about dry at 4', pushing or pulling wont change a weak pump. my 2 cents, money spent on a pump is always wasted on junk, a good pump always has a job, junk just sits and laughs at you, a reasonable alternative is danner mag drive pumps

PEMfish · 11-22-2007, 09:52 PM

So, none of those? Something on Drs.F&S, I'm ordering there anyway and can save on shipping staying at one site. So What about a AC 30 power head? Aquarium Water Current: Hagen AquaClear Powerheads

PEMfish · 11-23-2007, 12:06 AM

Yes/no?
Ideas ( pump, overflowfeed, sump layout )?
Anyone?

PEMfish · 11-23-2007, 12:25 PM

I was just mentally organizing the info throwout this thread and have to say congratulations on all the help you were able to supply in such a short time. Pat your selfs on the back RS. Thanks.

Anyway, I'm ordering the pump today, What do yall think of the AC 30 power head for the job? I'll order that one unless you tell me not to.
On a less urgent note, Dose anyone have ideas for sump design and pump protection? Thanks

PEMfish · 11-23-2007, 06:38 PM

So then th AC 30 PH is fine? y/n?

zimboy · 11-23-2007, 06:56 PM

I wouldn't use a power head as your return pump. Even the best of them are not good at pumping up, especially 3.5 ft. I think you will have more problems than its worth. If you're trying to save money go look in the pond section of your local hardware store. The pond stuff should be on sale now and you could buy a pond pump designed for pumping head. I'm thinking one of the waterfall pumps or similar. You will probably have to clean these more often as they will probably build up lots of scale.

zimboy · 11-23-2007, 06:57 PM

what exactly do you mean by pump protection? Protecting it from running dry?

cracker · 11-23-2007, 07:01 PM

Pemfish, You can get the AC's at petsmart. Please consider holding out until You can come up with a little extra cash for a larger model. IMHO the 70 with 1/2 tubing would work real well on a 10 gl. Christmas is right around the corner!

PEMfish · 11-23-2007, 07:20 PM

Hmmmm... true
the 50? or...

PEMfish · 11-23-2007, 07:25 PM

I find it hard to see just how cheap I am...
Model 1200 of Pond & Water Garden Pumps & Filters: Quiet One Pond Pumps ? And yes, protection from running dry.

cracker · 11-23-2007, 07:51 PM

[quote=PEMfish;348108]I was just mentally organizing the info throwout this thread and have to say congratulations on all the help you were able to supply in such a short time. Pat your selfs on the back RS. Thanks.
QUOTE]
PEMfish, Pat Yourself on the back as well for holding out & researching/shopping around before spending your hard earned money.
Personally I have gained a "little" patience but overcoming that Impulse Buy is tough! LOL

zimboy · 11-23-2007, 08:07 PM

The 1200 model seems like it will fit the bill. As for pump protection, how about an Auto Top Off (ATO). Not only will this protect your pump from running dry, but it will keep your salinity in check. Very important for such a small tank. Since you are trying to save money i would suggest a raised resevoir with a simple float valve.

PEMfish · 11-23-2007, 08:15 PM

Well, if the feed siphon cuts off and the top off kicks on ( in its place ) the pump would live ( until the top off reservoir drys out ) but that would over fill the DT.

11-22-2007, 07:51 PM	#16 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,093 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New sump ???`s Or if I put the return pump in the DT with the intake hoked up to a line going into the sump. Ya know, draw water up out of the sump into the DT. With the return pump in the DT. Good idea, yes/no??? __________________ Paul `EM See how it all came to be;http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...g-catchup.html My new tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

11-22-2007, 09:12 PM	#17 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,093 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New sump ???`s Any one? __________________ Paul `EM See how it all came to be;http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...g-catchup.html My new tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

11-22-2007, 09:35 PM	#18 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,917 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New sump ???`s sorry no. via aqu is 200gph at 0'... 34gph at 3... just about dry at 4', pushing or pulling wont change a weak pump. my 2 cents, money spent on a pump is always wasted on junk, a good pump always has a job, junk just sits and laughs at you, a reasonable alternative is danner mag drive pumps

11-22-2007, 09:52 PM	#19 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,093 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New sump ???`s So, none of those? Something on Drs.F&S, I'm ordering there anyway and can save on shipping staying at one site. So What about a AC 30 power head? Aquarium Water Current: Hagen AquaClear Powerheads __________________ Paul `EM See how it all came to be;http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...g-catchup.html My new tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

11-23-2007, 12:06 AM	#20 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,093 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New sump ???`s Yes/no? Ideas ( pump, overflowfeed, sump layout )? Anyone? __________________ Paul `EM See how it all came to be;http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...g-catchup.html My new tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

11-23-2007, 12:25 PM	#21 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,093 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Sump ~ Congratulation's RS I was just mentally organizing the info throwout this thread and have to say congratulations on all the help you were able to supply in such a short time. Pat your selfs on the back RS. Thanks. Anyway, I'm ordering the pump today, What do yall think of the AC 30 power head for the job? I'll order that one unless you tell me not to. On a less urgent note, Dose anyone have ideas for sump design and pump protection? Thanks __________________ Paul `EM See how it all came to be;http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...g-catchup.html My new tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

11-23-2007, 06:38 PM	#22 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,093 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New sump ???`s So then th AC 30 PH is fine? y/n? __________________ Paul `EM See how it all came to be;http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...g-catchup.html My new tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

11-23-2007, 06:56 PM	#23 (permalink)
zimboy Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 296 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New sump ???`s I wouldn't use a power head as your return pump. Even the best of them are not good at pumping up, especially 3.5 ft. I think you will have more problems than its worth. If you're trying to save money go look in the pond section of your local hardware store. The pond stuff should be on sale now and you could buy a pond pump designed for pumping head. I'm thinking one of the waterfall pumps or similar. You will probably have to clean these more often as they will probably build up lots of scale.

11-23-2007, 06:57 PM	#24 (permalink)
zimboy Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 296 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New sump ???`s what exactly do you mean by pump protection? Protecting it from running dry?

11-23-2007, 07:01 PM	#25 (permalink)
cracker Acropora Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: North East Florida Posts: 1,717 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: New sump ???`s Pemfish, You can get the AC's at petsmart. Please consider holding out until You can come up with a little extra cash for a larger model. IMHO the 70 with 1/2 tubing would work real well on a 10 gl. Christmas is right around the corner!

11-23-2007, 07:20 PM	#26 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,093 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New sump ???`s Hmmmm... true the 50? or... __________________ Paul `EM See how it all came to be;http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...g-catchup.html My new tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

11-23-2007, 07:25 PM	#27 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,093 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New sump ???`s I find it hard to see just how cheap I am... Model 1200 of Pond & Water Garden Pumps & Filters: Quiet One Pond Pumps ? And yes, protection from running dry. __________________ Paul `EM See how it all came to be;http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...g-catchup.html My new tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

11-23-2007, 07:51 PM	#28 (permalink)
cracker Acropora Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: North East Florida Posts: 1,717 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Sump ~ Congratulation's RS [quote=PEMfish;348108]I was just mentally organizing the info throwout this thread and have to say congratulations on all the help you were able to supply in such a short time. Pat your selfs on the back RS. Thanks. QUOTE] PEMfish, Pat Yourself on the back as well for holding out & researching/shopping around before spending your hard earned money. Personally I have gained a "little" patience but overcoming that Impulse Buy is tough! LOL

11-23-2007, 08:07 PM	#29 (permalink)
zimboy Tuxedo Urchin Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 296 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New sump ???`s The 1200 model seems like it will fit the bill. As for pump protection, how about an Auto Top Off (ATO). Not only will this protect your pump from running dry, but it will keep your salinity in check. Very important for such a small tank. Since you are trying to save money i would suggest a raised resevoir with a simple float valve.

11-23-2007, 08:15 PM	#30 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,093 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: New sump ???`s Well, if the feed siphon cuts off and the top off kicks on ( in its place ) the pump would live ( until the top off reservoir drys out ) but that would over fill the DT. __________________ Paul `EM See how it all came to be;http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...g-catchup.html My new tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

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