return pump

Snelly40 · 02-06-2007, 12:33 PM

hey guys, i am still piecing together everything for my new 90 gallon.
i got a nice sump from woody and am going to build a fuge into it as well and add some height to the baffles to make it hold about 30 gallons.
my question is though, what type or brand and make and model should i get for a return pump?

Woodstock · 02-06-2007, 12:42 PM

External or submersible?
Ihave used submersible Quiet One and Mag Drive pumps with great success. Although the magdrive seemed to increase the water temp a tad.
I will soon have my first external pump going and will then be able to offer advise on them. With that said, I have read that external pumps can be more energy effecient and add less heat to the water than the submersible pumps. I purchased an Iwaki 55rtl external pump for my new tank.

Good luck with your decision and I am glad you could use the sump

boozeman · 02-06-2007, 12:48 PM

I have only seen good reviews for eheim pumps

prow · 02-06-2007, 01:33 PM

the best submersible pumps i have used are the sedras. i have used just about every one too.

for external pump yeah like woodstock said. for the quaility of a external pump can not tell you which ones are better than which but it is pretty well known/or said to be, iwaki pumps with japanses motors are by far the best. a distant second is iwaki pumps with american motors. at least that what i have come to understand from others.

Snelly40 · 02-06-2007, 01:41 PM

yeah i have heard good things about the eheim.
how does the external pump work?

BrothaWolf · 02-06-2007, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boozeman

I have only seen good reviews for eheim pumps

I have an eheim 1262 and it is SILENT and can out pump my overflow!!!! Worth the extra $$$ IMHO

Snelly40 · 02-06-2007, 01:44 PM

is there a certain gph or flow rate i should be at for about 120 gallons of water in the system?

prow · 02-06-2007, 02:12 PM

what you want to do with the refugium/sump will determine what the best flow rates should be. most go with about 5x turnover rate total water volume in there refugiums. the limiting factor on the overflow rate is your bulk head and that will determine your pump size, so match your pump with your bulk head then adjust acordingly to your needs and your tanks setup capabilities.

just incase your dont know already but the turn over rate in the main tank should be say 20x turnover, via powerheads, return pump ect..again this depends on what you are keeping, sps,lps, softies ect..but it does not mean you have to have that same turnover rate of 20x going through your sump. whatever the main taks rate is most refugiums run at 5x turnover rates or even less.

BrothaWolf · 02-06-2007, 02:16 PM

Your overflow can only handle about 600 gph So once you calculate head pressure etc anything over that to the tank will run your pump dry. I have a 75 gallon and 30 gallons working water in my sump... I have mine T'd off twice One to the fuge and one back to the sump. If I close both valves my pump runs dry. 3-5 x's turnover is what was recommended to me...

Snelly40 · 02-06-2007, 02:21 PM

ok so the 90 aga with the magnaflow can handle 600gph, and it is of course gonna be going up about 4 feet.
i am gonna look at this right now, thanks wolf
eheim 1262

rDr4g0n · 02-06-2007, 02:26 PM

i purchased a quiet one 3000 (on a recommendation from someone else here at RS) that is rated at 780 gph. it can run wet and dry, so it wont burn up if the system runs dry, though it will get hot.

its relatively quiet and does what i need it to do (a little more than that actually).

sebastian · 02-06-2007, 05:13 PM

do you have 1 overflow??? in 90 gal i think that's what You have...s o around 600gph - i like/ have magdrive.. for your tank i think #7 will be ok. i use to have rio's in my old setup ---- bad, always some problems
her is the link for some web site i'm using - ucan see diferent models and flow rate

http://www.petsolutions.com/Mag+Driv...-10404-C-.aspx

Snelly40 · 02-06-2007, 05:53 PM

thank you, yeah its one megaflow, and it will be pushed up around 4 feet i would say

burning2nd · 02-06-2007, 06:29 PM

ive had my mag 7 for almost 1 year... and today i just cleaned it for the first time...

needless 2 say.

it never let me down.

Snelly40 · 02-06-2007, 06:42 PM

http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewIt...product=DN1125
for $55
or
one of these for about 120-130 http://www.marinedepot.com/aquarium_....as p?CartId=
or
http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewIt...product=TA3713 of rabout $55

02-06-2007, 12:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
Snelly40 Golden Moray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,280 View Gallery Karma Komment	return pump hey guys, i am still piecing together everything for my new 90 gallon. i got a nice sump from woody and am going to build a fuge into it as well and add some height to the baffles to make it hold about 30 gallons. my question is though, what type or brand and make and model should i get for a return pump? __________________ Snelly's 90gal Reef-O-Rama *Member-"Crabs Are Evil" Society* In Hoc Signo Vinces

02-06-2007, 12:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 21,674 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: return pump External or submersible? Ihave used submersible Quiet One and Mag Drive pumps with great success. Although the magdrive seemed to increase the water temp a tad. I will soon have my first external pump going and will then be able to offer advise on them. With that said, I have read that external pumps can be more energy effecient and add less heat to the water than the submersible pumps. I purchased an Iwaki 55rtl external pump for my new tank. Good luck with your decision and I am glad you could use the sump __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* ~120 Reef Chronicle ~ *~29 gal QT/Hospital tank~* *~3 gal Pico~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________ 120 mixed reef, dual Reeflux 10k 250 MH, dual Actinic t5s,AquaController III, ASM g3, 2x Korallia #3, Mag 9.5 return

02-06-2007, 01:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
prow Manta Ray Join Date: May 2005 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 3,771 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: return pump the best submersible pumps i have used are the sedras. i have used just about every one too. for external pump yeah like woodstock said. for the quaility of a external pump can not tell you which ones are better than which but it is pretty well known/or said to be, iwaki pumps with japanses motors are by far the best. a distant second is iwaki pumps with american motors. at least that what i have come to understand from others.

02-06-2007, 01:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
Snelly40 Golden Moray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,280 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: return pump yeah i have heard good things about the eheim. how does the external pump work? __________________ Snelly's 90gal Reef-O-Rama *Member-"Crabs Are Evil" Society* In Hoc Signo Vinces

02-06-2007, 01:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
Snelly40 Golden Moray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,280 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: return pump is there a certain gph or flow rate i should be at for about 120 gallons of water in the system? __________________ Snelly's 90gal Reef-O-Rama *Member-"Crabs Are Evil" Society* In Hoc Signo Vinces

02-06-2007, 02:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
prow Manta Ray Join Date: May 2005 Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 3,771 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: return pump what you want to do with the refugium/sump will determine what the best flow rates should be. most go with about 5x turnover rate total water volume in there refugiums. the limiting factor on the overflow rate is your bulk head and that will determine your pump size, so match your pump with your bulk head then adjust acordingly to your needs and your tanks setup capabilities. just incase your dont know already but the turn over rate in the main tank should be say 20x turnover, via powerheads, return pump ect..again this depends on what you are keeping, sps,lps, softies ect..but it does not mean you have to have that same turnover rate of 20x going through your sump. whatever the main taks rate is most refugiums run at 5x turnover rates or even less.

02-06-2007, 02:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
BrothaWolf Acropora Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,798 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: return pump Your overflow can only handle about 600 gph So once you calculate head pressure etc anything over that to the tank will run your pump dry. I have a 75 gallon and 30 gallons working water in my sump... I have mine T'd off twice One to the fuge and one back to the sump. If I close both valves my pump runs dry. 3-5 x's turnover is what was recommended to me... __________________ 75 Gal AGA Nano - 115lbs LR 140lbs LS Tunze 6025 x 3 40 gal DIY Sump/fuge 20lb LS 26lb LR Outer Orbit 150 HQI Mh x 2, 54w T5 x 4, 18 moons, ASM G3 Mated pair Yashia Gobies (seperated) and Red Band Pistol Shrimp, True Percula, Purple Fire Fish, Yellow Clown Goby, Orange Back Fairy Wrasse, Barber Pole Goby, Blood Shrimp, Crocea Clam, Scarlet Hermits, Cerith, Nassarius, Nerite and Margarita Snails (hold the salt) Zoas, Rics & Shrooms, Xenia, Hammer & Frog Spawn, Star Polyps, Blasto, Blue Anthelia, Lord Acans 29 Gal Oceanic Bio Cube- 40lbs LR 30lbs LS Sapphire Skimmer, DIY Nanotuners 4.36 Lighting, DIY Moonlights, DIY Mod CPR Refugium Randalls Goby, Zoa's ,Trach,Shrooms President: Crabs Make Me Itch Society

02-06-2007, 02:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
Snelly40 Golden Moray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,280 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: return pump ok so the 90 aga with the magnaflow can handle 600gph, and it is of course gonna be going up about 4 feet. i am gonna look at this right now, thanks wolf eheim 1262 __________________ Snelly's 90gal Reef-O-Rama *Member-"Crabs Are Evil" Society* In Hoc Signo Vinces

02-06-2007, 02:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
rDr4g0n Elegance coral Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: south texas Posts: 1,165 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: return pump i purchased a quiet one 3000 (on a recommendation from someone else here at RS) that is rated at 780 gph. it can run wet and dry, so it wont burn up if the system runs dry, though it will get hot. its relatively quiet and does what i need it to do (a little more than that actually). __________________ I know there are quite a few typos in this post. It's not that I'm stupid... it's more like... I'm lazy. - John My 29 Gallon tank of AWESOME My DIY Projects: My $50, 150watt lighting • 10 gallon tall tank • Hood for my 10gal. tall my r0xx0r DIY protein skimmer • 2 cheap strip lights into 1 • Grow cyano!?

02-06-2007, 05:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
sebastian Sea Pen Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: lake zurich, il Posts: 316 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: return pump do you have 1 overflow??? in 90 gal i think that's what You have...s o around 600gph - i like/ have magdrive.. for your tank i think #7 will be ok. i use to have rio's in my old setup ---- bad, always some problems her is the link for some web site i'm using - ucan see diferent models and flow rate http://www.petsolutions.com/Mag+Driv...-10404-C-.aspx __________________ Sebastian member of CMAS 125G AGA + 30G sump (home made) 500W MH + 260W PC light Wave 2K (4,000 g/h), mag-drive 12 (1,000 g/h) Euro reef skimmer Hammer corals, zoo's, green star polyps, neon green button polyps, blue acro, green staghorn, frogspan, leathers, xenias, 100's mashrooms, ricordias, fungias, green oxypora, neon green hydropora, snake polyps, brown Caribbean zoanthid (palythoa carribaeorum) regal tang, yellow tang, six line wrasse, cleaner wrasse, (2) lyretail anthias, eibli angel, ocellaris clown

02-06-2007, 05:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
Snelly40 Golden Moray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,280 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: return pump thank you, yeah its one megaflow, and it will be pushed up around 4 feet i would say __________________ Snelly's 90gal Reef-O-Rama *Member-"Crabs Are Evil" Society* In Hoc Signo Vinces

02-06-2007, 06:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
burning2nd Acropora Join Date: May 2006 Location: Pocono PA Posts: 1,802 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: return pump ive had my mag 7 for almost 1 year... and today i just cleaned it for the first time... needless 2 say. it never let me down. __________________ ________________________________________________ 30g, 10g DIY sump w/ mag7 Csr90 over flow. 36" sunpod 2x150 2 Tunze 6020 40 Lb's Live Rock 20 lb's of Ls Aqua C REmora mIxed reef, softies, pora's, clams, 1 Amphiprion ocellaris (hosting GTA) 2 cromies and one dragon jake the jedi sexy shrimp, and brown bob

02-06-2007, 06:42 PM	#15 (permalink)
Snelly40 Golden Moray Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 2,280 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: return pump http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewIt...product=DN1125 for $55 or one of these for about 120-130 http://www.marinedepot.com/aquarium_....as p?CartId= or http://www.marinedepot.com/md_viewIt...product=TA3713 of rabout $55 __________________ Snelly's 90gal Reef-O-Rama *Member-"Crabs Are Evil" Society* In Hoc Signo Vinces

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