Idiot Diyer Here Need Help!!!

mnreefman · 12-25-2003, 11:17 AM

okay well i am not good at building stuff so i am going to need some help on a sump.. its not goting to be big.. about 10 gallons but thats all that will fit in my 55 gal stand... im going to go buy a hang on overflow here tommarow... as far as size, im thinking 3/4 inch bulk heads for overflow.. now first off what size pump will be suffiecint for the return.. i plan on having a y piece where i can then add 2 spraybars running down both sides of my display in the back corners..... is this to vauge or does is it understandable.. the total distance from sump to display shouldnt exceed 5 ft.. i still have to get exact measurments...the will be 4 90 degree angles.. one right after the sump, one coming out fome under the stand, and 2 at both corners for the spray bars... i have no idead what size pump to get.. and what do i need to get in case of an emergency and i need a check point.also any specific plumming parts that will be needed.....any info will be greatly appreciated

Nautilus · 12-25-2003, 11:38 AM

Mag 950 would be good. I would go with the 1" flex pipe to the sump but when you buy the prefilter it should have this already.

I use clear hose from the pump and attached it to PVC pipe.
The 90 degree elbow going into the tank and just above the water surface I drilled a small hole facing towards the tank or water surface. This hole stops the siphon back into the sump if the electricity ever goes out.

Pro_builder · 12-25-2003, 11:41 AM

I would run atleast a Mag 7 or maybe a 9. For the return pump. The overflow will only run as much as the pump will return, I think, I don't have one of these, so check with someone else too.
The Mag 7 should give you about 500 GPH return on your tank. The Mag 9 would be about 650 to 700 GPH.
HTH

mnreefman · 12-25-2003, 11:43 AM

oaky so my plan sound feasable.... now natilus showed me a check point so i got that covered... now will i need anything other than straingh, 90 degree elbows, a y piece and end caps for this... my ignorance is over welming i know... thanks guys

Nautilus · 12-25-2003, 11:43 AM

I use the MAG 7 on my 80 gallon and it works great. On your 55 gallon the MAG 7 maybe your best pump.

Nautilus · 12-25-2003, 11:50 AM

I don't think you need to use a T on the 55 gallon unless you are wanting to put it at both ends of the tank. I would use only one out put into the tank as this will create better water movement. If you go with 2 inputs into the tank you may want a bigger pump than a mag 7.
If you use PVC pipe get the 2 part glue. The primer is purple and the glue is clear. I have had no problems with this glue leaking.
Are you going to use PVC only? you will still need some kind of pipe adapters to connect to the pump. I would get the pump first and then see what I needed from there.

wooddood · 12-25-2003, 11:57 AM

great info all very informative and useful thanks.i agree if your going to use a t i would probally go with the mag 9 because of the flow restriction with the t and the 90's.

mnreefman · 12-25-2003, 11:57 AM

yes there is going to be 2, atleast thats the way i want it. one on both ends of the tank... i want to maximize water movement.. if i dont use pvc pipe what could i use... also... if i do go with pvc. what size diameter would i need to get... i dont want anything to bulky looking....

mnreefman · 12-25-2003, 11:58 AM

also dont the make a Y piece instead of the T......

wooddood · 12-25-2003, 11:59 AM

i would go with 2 returns myself.like you said you want as much water movement as you can handle.1inch pvc should be fine.

Nautilus · 12-25-2003, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mnreefman
also dont the make a Y piece instead of the T......

? don't understand.
The Mag 7 comes with 1/2 connector and 3/4 inch connectors I think. It has been awhile for me and don't remember what comes in the box with the pump.
The Mag 9 is 3/4 inch connectors I think.
I would use 3/4 inch pipe to the T or Y. and then use 1/2 pipe.
I think home depot had the T with 3/4 in and 1/2 inch out converter's.

Nautilus · 12-25-2003, 12:08 PM

Bigger PVC at the pump and smaller PVC pipe at the Y would create a jet stream.
what size holes are you going to drill into the spray bars?

mnreefman · 12-25-2003, 07:30 PM

i dont know... i know nothing on this subject... and what i mean by a y piece is like half way up the piping i was thinking of having it seperate and go 2 different ways... id do a diagram but i cant save it as a jpg file so i cant post it...

mnreefman · 12-25-2003, 07:54 PM

here my bad drawing

mnreefman · 12-25-2003, 07:55 PM

as you can see 2 spray bars going down opposite sides in the rear corners...opps looks like i forgot a spraybar on the left... well imagine it there

12-25-2003, 11:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
mnreefman Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,393 View Gallery Karma Komment	Idiot Diyer Here Need Help!!! okay well i am not good at building stuff so i am going to need some help on a sump.. its not goting to be big.. about 10 gallons but thats all that will fit in my 55 gal stand... im going to go buy a hang on overflow here tommarow... as far as size, im thinking 3/4 inch bulk heads for overflow.. now first off what size pump will be suffiecint for the return.. i plan on having a y piece where i can then add 2 spraybars running down both sides of my display in the back corners..... is this to vauge or does is it understandable.. the total distance from sump to display shouldnt exceed 5 ft.. i still have to get exact measurments...the will be 4 90 degree angles.. one right after the sump, one coming out fome under the stand, and 2 at both corners for the spray bars... i have no idead what size pump to get.. and what do i need to get in case of an emergency and i need a check point.also any specific plumming parts that will be needed.....any info will be greatly appreciated

12-25-2003, 11:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
Nautilus Midas Blenny Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 108 View Gallery Karma Komment	Mag 950 would be good. I would go with the 1" flex pipe to the sump but when you buy the prefilter it should have this already. I use clear hose from the pump and attached it to PVC pipe. The 90 degree elbow going into the tank and just above the water surface I drilled a small hole facing towards the tank or water surface. This hole stops the siphon back into the sump if the electricity ever goes out. Last edited by Nautilus : 12-25-2003 at 11:40 AM.

12-25-2003, 11:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Pro_builder DIY Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Oxford, Iowa Posts: 1,746 View Gallery Karma Komment	I would run atleast a Mag 7 or maybe a 9. For the return pump. The overflow will only run as much as the pump will return, I think, I don't have one of these, so check with someone else too. The Mag 7 should give you about 500 GPH return on your tank. The Mag 9 would be about 650 to 700 GPH. HTH __________________ -Troy 180 gallon Reef, 3- 250 XM 15K MH Electronic ballast, 380 watts VHO Actinics, 2- 5 watt LED Moon lights, 100 gal rubbermaid sump, 75 gallon Fuge, ETSS 600 Skimmer, 4700-5400 gph pump for return, Octopus 3000 controller, Iwaki 40 RL skimmer pump, 2- 65w PC 10K fuge lights, 2 55 gallon barrels, Custom light oak stand and hood, misc pumps, extra 600 gallon rated tank size protein skimmer. Purple tang, yellow tang, pacific blue tang, 2 green chromis, 1 Sand sifting star, snails, hermit crabs, 2 mated perculas, pulsing Xenia, Anenome, mushrooms, ricordia, zoanthids, kenya tree 1 1/2" tall, misc other hitchhiker stuff. DIY is my dream... ...well OK the only way I can afford this Addiction!! Just as the light goes on in my head... ... I break the bulb!!

12-25-2003, 11:43 AM	#4 (permalink)
mnreefman Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,393 View Gallery Karma Komment	oaky so my plan sound feasable.... now natilus showed me a check point so i got that covered... now will i need anything other than straingh, 90 degree elbows, a y piece and end caps for this... my ignorance is over welming i know... thanks guys __________________ http://reefrock.com

12-25-2003, 11:57 AM	#7 (permalink)
wooddood the wood dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CARMEL. INDIANA Posts: 3,450 View Gallery Karma Komment	great info all very informative and useful thanks.i agree if your going to use a t i would probally go with the mag 9 because of the flow restriction with the t and the 90's. __________________ 120 gal/in wall tank/starboard substraight/2 250 watt 10k xm metal halides/ 4 55watt 03 actinics/150lbs lr/scwd on return/scwd on a closed loop/aquaclear aquatics 200 pro wetdry w/skimmer. ask all the questions you have if we cant answer it we'll make up some thing. remember patience is the key to a kick ass reef. dave.

12-25-2003, 11:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
Nautilus Midas Blenny Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 108 View Gallery Karma Komment	I use the MAG 7 on my 80 gallon and it works great. On your 55 gallon the MAG 7 maybe your best pump.

12-25-2003, 11:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
Nautilus Midas Blenny Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 108 View Gallery Karma Komment	I don't think you need to use a T on the 55 gallon unless you are wanting to put it at both ends of the tank. I would use only one out put into the tank as this will create better water movement. If you go with 2 inputs into the tank you may want a bigger pump than a mag 7. If you use PVC pipe get the 2 part glue. The primer is purple and the glue is clear. I have had no problems with this glue leaking. Are you going to use PVC only? you will still need some kind of pipe adapters to connect to the pump. I would get the pump first and then see what I needed from there.

12-25-2003, 11:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
mnreefman Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,393 View Gallery Karma Komment	yes there is going to be 2, atleast thats the way i want it. one on both ends of the tank... i want to maximize water movement.. if i dont use pvc pipe what could i use... also... if i do go with pvc. what size diameter would i need to get... i dont want anything to bulky looking.... __________________ http://reefrock.com

12-25-2003, 11:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
mnreefman Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,393 View Gallery Karma Komment	also dont the make a Y piece instead of the T...... __________________ http://reefrock.com

12-25-2003, 11:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
wooddood the wood dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CARMEL. INDIANA Posts: 3,450 View Gallery Karma Komment	i would go with 2 returns myself.like you said you want as much water movement as you can handle.1inch pvc should be fine. __________________ 120 gal/in wall tank/starboard substraight/2 250 watt 10k xm metal halides/ 4 55watt 03 actinics/150lbs lr/scwd on return/scwd on a closed loop/aquaclear aquatics 200 pro wetdry w/skimmer. ask all the questions you have if we cant answer it we'll make up some thing. remember patience is the key to a kick ass reef. dave.

12-25-2003, 12:08 PM	#12 (permalink)
Nautilus Midas Blenny Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 108 View Gallery Karma Komment	Bigger PVC at the pump and smaller PVC pipe at the Y would create a jet stream. what size holes are you going to drill into the spray bars?

12-25-2003, 07:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
mnreefman Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,393 View Gallery Karma Komment	i dont know... i know nothing on this subject... and what i mean by a y piece is like half way up the piping i was thinking of having it seperate and go 2 different ways... id do a diagram but i cant save it as a jpg file so i cant post it... __________________ http://reefrock.com

12-25-2003, 07:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
mnreefman Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,393 View Gallery Karma Komment	here my bad drawing

12-25-2003, 07:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
mnreefman Reef Lobster Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,393 View Gallery Karma Komment	as you can see 2 spray bars going down opposite sides in the rear corners...opps looks like i forgot a spraybar on the left... well imagine it there __________________ http://reefrock.com

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)