News: Nemo's impact on reefs

deanerk · 11-21-2003, 11:55 AM

I guess this really isn't news to us, but it's good to know people are starting to take notice.

Reefs at risk after Disney film

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Flipper · 11-21-2003, 12:00 PM

Sad...

essmaker · 11-21-2003, 12:07 PM

When I read that up to 8,000 animals a month I almost threw-up. The story just gets worse the more you read

Makes you want to be sure you are getting captive bread animals when possible.

deanerk · 11-21-2003, 12:17 PM

Yes, I always encourage getting captive bred animals whenever possible. Actually, if I don't know that something is captive bred I will no longer buy it. I think my Royal Gramma is the only think in my tank right now that was likely not captive bred. Exchanging coral frags has worked out well for me also. I highly recommend it.

ReefLady · 11-21-2003, 12:21 PM

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I moved the post and changed forum permissions.

Thanks!!

Woodstock · 11-21-2003, 01:01 PM

Captive bred is the way to go. I think the harvasting sites should be regulated!! That would mean a higher price for a fish but maybe that would 'weed-out' newbie buyers?

Craig Manoukian · 11-21-2003, 01:44 PM

Yikes, I hate it when we're right somtimes. I shudder to think how many have ended up in the toilet, the one that doesn't go back to the sea! So sad!

Captive bred and education is what we can do.

sparkzippo · 11-21-2003, 02:17 PM

What I don't get is why are they collecting so many clowns, when it is almost cheaper and easier to buy captive bred clowns. Plus, they have less disease and are generally better aclimated to captive conditions.

They are the easiest SW fish to breed, yet we keep diminishing their native stocks.

I expected the article to focus on Tangs, but it is more alarming to realize that most of those exports are clowns.

Scooterman · 11-21-2003, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by Craig Manoukian
Yikes, I hate it when we're right somtimes. I shudder to think how many have ended up in the toilet, the one that doesn't go back to the sea! So sad!

Captive bred and education is what we can do.

Captive bred, that's the way to go & FRAGS! LOL

SaltyQueen · 11-21-2003, 04:12 PM

Nemo was such a cute movie- it's too bad that things like this have to happen becuase people see something in a movie & have to run right out & buy it without doing their research first... The same thing happened after 101 Dalmations... People are just too irresponsible & impatient- they want the pretty fishies, but they don't want to bother with learning all about them...

deanerk · 11-21-2003, 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by sparkzippo
What I don't get is why are they collecting so many clowns, when it is almost cheaper and easier to buy captive bred clowns. Plus, they have less disease and are generally better aclimated to captive conditions.

They are the easiest SW fish to breed, yet we keep diminishing their native stocks.

I expected the article to focus on Tangs, but it is more alarming to realize that most of those exports are clowns.

The only reason they're collected is someone is making a profit for doing so. It's that simple. If the demand is there, someone will do the deed for the money and not concern themselves with the wellfare of the fish. It's up to responsible reefers like us to make ourselves heard and insist on captive bred species and encourage strict regulations on harvesting. I wouldn't mind paying more if it meant that a few fish would not have to take that swirly ride in the toilet and find no light at the end of the tunnel.

wooddood · 11-23-2003, 11:47 AM

this is why we all need to ask our lfs where their corals come from and are they propagated or wild caught.i'd bet alot of them dont even know.sad.

Curtswearing · 11-23-2003, 12:14 PM

Since you guys are talking about conservation issues, what are your thoughts on >>MAC certification<< or >>Reefballs<< ???

deanerk · 11-23-2003, 12:34 PM

Interesting links Curt! Maybe it's time we all started to ask out LFSs if they or their providers are MAC certified for their captured animals. From the site: "About 98 percent of the marine aquarium trade is based on organisms captured in the wild, where the issues of reef and animal health are most important. Therefore, the MAC Core Standards focus on the chain of custody for these organisms." That 98% number scares me. Hopefully this is an organization without government links but that can enforce its standards. (Making a mental note to do some more reading and research...)

The reefball idea sounds like a great conservation idea. It's a shame we must now put all of this effort into rebuilding something that careless humans are primarily responsible for losing in the first place, but it's encouraging to see that effort being made. People are really starting to take notice of impending ecological disasters and do something about it.

Curtswearing · 11-23-2003, 12:55 PM

We either take care of the reefs and the hobby or the government is going to come in and do it for us. That's one of the reasons I am active in my local reefing organization http://www.seasl.org and why I like fragging corals.

11-21-2003, 11:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
deanerk Fire Coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 62 View Gallery Karma Komment	News: Nemo's impact on reefs I guess this really isn't news to us, but it's good to know people are starting to take notice. Reefs at risk after Disney film (mods: I did try to post this to the Coral Reef News forum, but got a message that I didn't have sufficient rights.)

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11-21-2003, 12:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
essmaker Midas Blenny Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 110 View Gallery Karma Komment	When I read that up to 8,000 animals a month I almost threw-up. The story just gets worse the more you read Makes you want to be sure you are getting captive bread animals when possible. __________________ ~~There was once an empty spot in the living room, and now....

11-21-2003, 01:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
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11-21-2003, 01:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 19,012 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Yikes, I hate it when we're right somtimes. I shudder to think how many have ended up in the toilet, the one that doesn't go back to the sea! So sad! Captive bred and education is what we can do. __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

11-21-2003, 12:17 PM	#4 (permalink)
deanerk Fire Coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 62 View Gallery Karma Komment	Yes, I always encourage getting captive bred animals whenever possible. Actually, if I don't know that something is captive bred I will no longer buy it. I think my Royal Gramma is the only think in my tank right now that was likely not captive bred. Exchanging coral frags has worked out well for me also. I highly recommend it.

11-21-2003, 02:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
sparkzippo Tubeworm Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 25 View Gallery Karma Komment	What I don't get is why are they collecting so many clowns, when it is almost cheaper and easier to buy captive bred clowns. Plus, they have less disease and are generally better aclimated to captive conditions. They are the easiest SW fish to breed, yet we keep diminishing their native stocks. I expected the article to focus on Tangs, but it is more alarming to realize that most of those exports are clowns.

11-21-2003, 04:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
SaltyQueen Scopas Tang Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 400 View Gallery Karma Komment	Nemo was such a cute movie- it's too bad that things like this have to happen becuase people see something in a movie & have to run right out & buy it without doing their research first... The same thing happened after 101 Dalmations... People are just too irresponsible & impatient- they want the pretty fishies, but they don't want to bother with learning all about them...

11-23-2003, 11:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
wooddood the wood dude Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: marion. INDIANA Posts: 3,457 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	this is why we all need to ask our lfs where their corals come from and are they propagated or wild caught.i'd bet alot of them dont even know.sad. __________________ 120 gal/in wall tank/starboard substraight/2 250 watt 10k xm metal halides/ 4 55watt 03 actinics/150lbs lr/scwd on return/scwd on a closed loop/aquaclear aquatics 200 pro wetdry w/skimmer. ask all the questions you have if we cant answer it we'll make up some thing. remember patience is the key to a kick ass reef. dave.

11-23-2003, 12:14 PM	#13 (permalink)
Curtswearing Golden Moray Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,597 View Gallery Karma Komment	Since you guys are talking about conservation issues, what are your thoughts on >>MAC certification<< or >>Reefballs<< ??? __________________ In memory of Fluffy, please pause before hitting enter---being nice is free. Click for ReefKeeping FAQ'S Click for Product Reviews Click for Photo ID Gallery http://curtcpapfs.com/downloads/1Curt.jpg

11-23-2003, 12:34 PM	#14 (permalink)
deanerk Fire Coral Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 62 View Gallery Karma Komment	Interesting links Curt! Maybe it's time we all started to ask out LFSs if they or their providers are MAC certified for their captured animals. From the site: "About 98 percent of the marine aquarium trade is based on organisms captured in the wild, where the issues of reef and animal health are most important. Therefore, the MAC Core Standards focus on the chain of custody for these organisms." That 98% number scares me. Hopefully this is an organization without government links but that can enforce its standards. (Making a mental note to do some more reading and research...) The reefball idea sounds like a great conservation idea. It's a shame we must now put all of this effort into rebuilding something that careless humans are primarily responsible for losing in the first place, but it's encouraging to see that effort being made. People are really starting to take notice of impending ecological disasters and do something about it.

11-23-2003, 12:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
Curtswearing Golden Moray Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,597 View Gallery Karma Komment	We either take care of the reefs and the hobby or the government is going to come in and do it for us. That's one of the reasons I am active in my local reefing organization http://www.seasl.org and why I like fragging corals. __________________ In memory of Fluffy, please pause before hitting enter---being nice is free. Click for ReefKeeping FAQ'S Click for Product Reviews Click for Photo ID Gallery http://curtcpapfs.com/downloads/1Curt.jpg

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