Frag Glue Ideas/Tips

BigAl07 · 06-04-2008, 05:28 PM

Many of you know this already but Super Glue (name brand or not) is called "Cyanoacrylate". You can get it from Hobby Stores in larger quantities and usually for less money than other places. Hobbyists use it in building many different types of models and R/C vehicles.

When you use it for fragging it's best to use the slower setting thicker version which can be balled "Gel" or sometimes "Gap Filling". An example from one company is from the Zap company Zap Homepage and the thick is called Zap-A-Gap. Now we're using this thicker because it does a better job of filling in the irregularities of coral to disk/plug and it gives a longer working time. One thing I've been doing is utilizing this "Thicker" glue for it's gap filling then using an "Accelerator" to "Kick It" once I have the frag in it's place. This "Accelerator" from Zap is called "ZAP® Zip Kicker®" and it seems to be reef safe as well. I just noticed a few "Frag Glue" companies are also selling their own version of this "Kicker".

So next time you're needing some "Frag Glue" instead of paying an arm & leg for that tiny tube go to your local Hobby Shop (LHS) and get some Zap-A-Gap and ZAP Kicker! Save some money on glue and BUY MORE CORALS!!

Gina · 06-04-2008, 05:30 PM

We ever get this tank set back up, I'll definately keep it mind!
Thanks Allen!

lcstorc · 06-04-2008, 05:31 PM

Great info.
Thanks.

BigAl07 · 06-04-2008, 05:38 PM

My pleasure!!

Also if anyone is looking for Great Frag supplies (plugs/Disks/Tile etc) try Oceans Wonders Propagation Supplies

That's where I get everything but Corals and Glue now.

rlcline76 · 06-04-2008, 06:28 PM

I use superglue loctite gel.

vdituri · 06-05-2008, 01:01 AM

Great info for anyone just getting into fragging.
I was researching for 6 months reading all kinds of threads in disbelief.
They can't mean regular superglue? It's all kinds of chemicals!
No! Not superglue superglue!

Works like a charm!
I will have to check the hobby shop to see how prices compare.
My LFS carries CorAffix. It's a superglue gel.
$14.99 for 2 oz. I know the normal tubes are like 1/8 oz for $2.99.

BigAl07 · 06-05-2008, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdituri

I will have to check the hobby shop to see how prices compare.
My LFS carries CorAffix. It's a superglue gel.
$14.99 for 2 oz. I know the normal tubes are like 1/8 oz for $2.99.

For comparison *which in THAT case is comparable* my local hobby shop has the brand I just noted (Zap-a-gap) for $10.99 for a 2oz bottle. That would equate to somewhere around $47.84 for the same amount if you bought the small "convenient" tubes. (at $2.99 - 1/8 oz)

And I honestly believe my frags are better now that I have more glue on hand. When I only had one small tube of it I was trying to be "Stingy" and had more "Break Loose" than I do now.

goldenmean · 06-05-2008, 09:07 AM

I use a product called IC-Gel which is just another brand of Cyanoacrylate which I have found online at a couple different virtual aquarium and hobby stores.

rmlevasseur · 06-05-2008, 12:31 PM

How do you apply the "accelerator" once the coral has covered the bonding site?

BigAl07 · 06-05-2008, 12:38 PM

If you can't get the accelerator TO the actual glue itself you can't.

Here's how I do it.. I'm an "Over Gluer" now so don't take this as gospel!

Let's say I am gluing a Xenia frag. I make a glob of glue the approximate size of the base of the Xenia. Then I push the stalk into the "glob" it pushes out into an area LARGER than the stalk. Then I hit it with the "Kicker" (just takes a small shot) and it's a chain reaction. Even though I am only "hitting" the outer edge of the glob the "reaction" carried under the frag and "Sets" the whole glue glob. If the "Kicker" doesn't hit ANY part of the glue it's useless.

On a side note.. the kicker smells like "Cotton Candy" to me. It's a pleasure to use

vdituri · 06-05-2008, 12:41 PM

Have you tried this technique with other soft leathers?
I tried a green finger leather and it slimed all up and floated away.
Held for maybe a day.
I may have to experiment with my xenia.

BigAl07 · 06-05-2008, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdituri

Have you tried this technique with other soft leathers?
I tried a green finger leather and it slimed all up and floated away.
Held for maybe a day.
I may have to experiment with my xenia.

No not yet. Give it a try and let me know what you come up with. I find that if I can keep it "still" for just a couple of days the coral will attach itself on a long term basis. It's like a "tac-weld" for corals

panmanmatt · 06-05-2008, 07:16 PM

Do NOT spray the accelerator around stony corals, it will kill them. If you add the glue and then spray with the accelerator you will still have time to set the frag in place before it hardens.

I personally don't use the accelerator after any coral has been set in the glue, it is either before or not at all.

dfurbee · 06-06-2008, 08:15 PM

Thanks BigAl for the tips. By the way, are you a 'glue sniffer' now?

Dentoid · 06-06-2008, 09:11 PM

Can you drip the accelerator on the glue glob with an eye dropper, rather than spray it?

06-04-2008, 05:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Frag Glue Ideas/Tips Many of you know this already but Super Glue (name brand or not) is called "Cyanoacrylate". You can get it from Hobby Stores in larger quantities and usually for less money than other places. Hobbyists use it in building many different types of models and R/C vehicles. When you use it for fragging it's best to use the slower setting thicker version which can be balled "Gel" or sometimes "Gap Filling". An example from one company is from the Zap company Zap Homepage and the thick is called Zap-A-Gap. Now we're using this thicker because it does a better job of filling in the irregularities of coral to disk/plug and it gives a longer working time. One thing I've been doing is utilizing this "Thicker" glue for it's gap filling then using an "Accelerator" to "Kick It" once I have the frag in it's place. This "Accelerator" from Zap is called "ZAP® Zip Kicker®" and it seems to be reef safe as well. I just noticed a few "Frag Glue" companies are also selling their own version of this "Kicker". So next time you're needing some "Frag Glue" instead of paying an arm & leg for that tiny tube go to your local Hobby Shop (LHS) and get some Zap-A-Gap and ZAP Kicker! Save some money on glue and BUY MORE CORALS!! __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

06-04-2008, 05:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
Gina Moderator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 8,842 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Frag Glue Ideas/Tips We ever get this tank set back up, I'll definately keep it mind! Thanks Allen! __________________ Gina and Mark's 75 Visit Our Sponsors Gina's Cube Gina

06-04-2008, 05:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 26,433 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Frag Glue Ideas/Tips Great info. Thanks. __________________ Peace LYNN Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Lynn's frag tank experiment A reef tank is like a race car. The faster you go the harder you crash.

06-04-2008, 05:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Frag Glue Ideas/Tips My pleasure!! Also if anyone is looking for Great Frag supplies (plugs/Disks/Tile etc) try Oceans Wonders Propagation Supplies That's where I get everything but Corals and Glue now. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

06-04-2008, 06:28 PM	#5 (permalink)
rlcline76 Manta Ray Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,646 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Frag Glue Ideas/Tips I use superglue loctite gel.

06-05-2008, 01:01 AM	#6 (permalink)
vdituri Excellent Guesser :D Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sacramento California Posts: 6,244 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Frag Glue Ideas/Tips Great info for anyone just getting into fragging. I was researching for 6 months reading all kinds of threads in disbelief. They can't mean regular superglue? It's all kinds of chemicals! No! Not superglue superglue! Works like a charm! I will have to check the hobby shop to see how prices compare. My LFS carries CorAffix. It's a superglue gel. $14.99 for 2 oz. I know the normal tubes are like 1/8 oz for $2.99. __________________ Victor ----- People come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime. When you know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person. When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend and they are. They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then, without any wrongdoing on your part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it is time to move on.

06-05-2008, 12:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
rmlevasseur Acropora Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,849 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Frag Glue Ideas/Tips How do you apply the "accelerator" once the coral has covered the bonding site? __________________ Robert http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ufas-tank.html

06-05-2008, 12:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Frag Glue Ideas/Tips If you can't get the accelerator TO the actual glue itself you can't. Here's how I do it.. I'm an "Over Gluer" now so don't take this as gospel! Let's say I am gluing a Xenia frag. I make a glob of glue the approximate size of the base of the Xenia. Then I push the stalk into the "glob" it pushes out into an area LARGER than the stalk. Then I hit it with the "Kicker" (just takes a small shot) and it's a chain reaction. Even though I am only "hitting" the outer edge of the glob the "reaction" carried under the frag and "Sets" the whole glue glob. If the "Kicker" doesn't hit ANY part of the glue it's useless. On a side note.. the kicker smells like "Cotton Candy" to me. It's a pleasure to use __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

06-05-2008, 12:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
vdituri Excellent Guesser :D Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sacramento California Posts: 6,244 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Frag Glue Ideas/Tips Have you tried this technique with other soft leathers? I tried a green finger leather and it slimed all up and floated away. Held for maybe a day. I may have to experiment with my xenia. __________________ Victor ----- People come into our lives for a reason, a season or a lifetime. When you know which one it is, you will know what to do for that person. When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally or spiritually. They may seem like a godsend and they are. They are there for the reason you need them to be. Then, without any wrongdoing on your part or at an inconvenient time, this person will say or do something to bring the relationship to an end. What we must realize is that our need has been met, our desire fulfilled, their work is done. The prayer you sent up has been answered and now it is time to move on.

06-05-2008, 07:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
panmanmatt Golden Moray Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Waretown, NJ Posts: 2,255 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Frag Glue Ideas/Tips Do NOT spray the accelerator around stony corals, it will kill them. If you add the glue and then spray with the accelerator you will still have time to set the frag in place before it hardens. I personally don't use the accelerator after any coral has been set in the glue, it is either before or not at all. __________________ The mind is like a parachute, it only works when opened. (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(")

06-06-2008, 08:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
dfurbee Krankenschwester Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In the hills Posts: 1,183 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Frag Glue Ideas/Tips Thanks BigAl for the tips. By the way, are you a 'glue sniffer' now? __________________ "Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen" Michael Jordan

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