I want another Christmas Tree for Christmas

chum · 11-03-2007, 02:52 PM

I have had a Christmas tree coral since March and am wondering how it propagates.
Does anyone have one, or have had one propagate? Or anyone have any info? THANKS!

Pics: sorry they are blurry. (I didn't know you should turn off all currents before taking pics.)

PEMfish · 11-20-2007, 05:02 PM

Cool. I've never seen those before. Can't help you but, sense they like the bottom, can you put it very near the bottom on LR or actually on the substrate. I think that would cause rot...

Darn it! Now I have to get one. And a couple pairs of Christmas worms as well. My wallet is raving...

chum · 11-27-2007, 12:46 AM

PEMfish, Thanks for your interest in my Christmas tree. I am getting more discouraged as it is appearing to shrink more these days. Here is a recent picture taken about a week ago. That is the most it has extended for several weeks now. I'm not sure what you mean by rot?...

I do have it on the bottom.

Here is a tank shot with the tiny, tiny shrunken christmas tree in the middle front...to the right of the green tongue coral....Help!!! instead of multiplying, I think it is dying....... no Christmas tree for christmas????...

PEMfish · 11-27-2007, 06:02 PM

Awesome tank. I have never seen one scaped like that.

lcstorc · 11-28-2007, 01:24 PM

I don't know anything about the Christmas tree but I love your scape. Very original and lots of caves.

chum · 11-29-2007, 04:46 PM

Paul 'em and Lynn and Frank,
Thanks alot for your encouragement about the tank scape. The corner of my family room only had enough space for a 36 inch wide tank, so I went deep to get a bigger tank. I bought a bunch of big tonga rock "branches" that had tree like branching and then put a secondary level of mostly flat figi on top of that.
Since I have a 24" deep 65 gal. tank, I had to get the softies up closer to the light so they live on the secondary level. (I only have 2 watts per gal.) I started to invest in more low light and non photosynthetic corals because I had alot of space on the lower level in the caves and on the bottom. The gorgonions, sun tube corals, and coralmorphins seem to love it down there.

The Christmas tree...not so much.

The fish seem very happy with lots of places to hide and free space to swim in and out of the tonga branches on the bottom.

However, the Christmas tree, should be "in its glory" during this season of the year. I read that it needs to be embedded in a sand bed. I may have to get a wavemaker, as I read somewhere they need alternating current.

Thanks again, you guys for the encouragement on the tank...you lifted my spirits

even though the Christmas tree has me a little down right now...

I have not given up hope, though... Faith, hope, love to all during this season of the year.

PEMfish · 11-29-2007, 05:15 PM

Yeah, that scape is very wow.

lcstorc · 11-29-2007, 05:26 PM

Gotta have hope.
Since I am totally unfamiliar with that coral is it a type of leather? It kind of looks like it but I have never seen one.
If it is still doing poorly try changing something in it's environment. You may have it with the flow. With such a deep tank do you have any powerheads lower down? Pointing 2 powerheads at each other does a random flow without a wavemaker. You could at least try it that way before investing. Also be sure your powerheads can go on a wavemaker. I know my Koralias are not supposed to be run on a wavemaker.
I think you may have just given me some really good scape ideas for my 90.
Thanks.

chum · 12-04-2007, 03:14 AM

I believe these are a type of leather coral, like a cross between a finger leather and a sea rod. They do not contain symbiotic algae and so should be kept in moderate to dim light intensity. Nilsen in Reef Secrets says they are difficult to feed and keep for a longer period of time and tend to collapse with little chance of recovery. Food requirements are tiny planktonic fare, such as live brine shrimp nauphi. I have given it phytofeast, arctipods, phytoplex, zooplex, and other preparations but not "live" food, so that may be the problem...

It likes a deep substrate where it can anchor itself. I have it in about a 2 inch sand bed.
I do have flow on the bottom, with 2 power heads on opposite sides of the tank which keeps the gorgonions happy.

11-03-2007, 02:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
chum Bryozoan Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 56 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	I want another Christmas Tree for Christmas I have had a Christmas tree coral since March and am wondering how it propagates. Does anyone have one, or have had one propagate? Or anyone have any info? THANKS! Pics: sorry they are blurry. (I didn't know you should turn off all currents before taking pics.) __________________ Set up: 65 gal mixed-100 lb.tonga & figi.Fluval canister filter 304, 2X65 watt PC by sunpaq, 420&460NM Dual actinic, 6,700&10,000K Dual daylight, 3 power heads, 3" sand bed, prizm skimmer hang-on. Fish: Scopis tang 5", 3 pajama cardinals, 2 clarki anemone, flame dart, green chromis, Inverts: 1 cleaner shrimp, 2 peppermint shrimp, 4 feather dusters, 2 serpent stars. Corals: pulsating xenia, 3 leather mushrooms, chili cactus, colt, kenya tree, finger, coralmorphins, yellow buttons polyp zooanthids, yellow gorgonians, 2 colonies of orange cups Second tank: 55 gal FOWLR: for agressive fish: 8" speckled fin grouper, choc. chip starfish, hermits, pencil urchin. _____________________________________________ The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace. (Num. 6:24-26)

11-20-2007, 05:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,457 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I want another Christmas Tree for Christmas Cool. I've never seen those before. Can't help you but, sense they like the bottom, can you put it very near the bottom on LR or actually on the substrate. I think that would cause rot... Darn it! Now I have to get one. And a couple pairs of Christmas worms as well. My wallet is raving... __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

11-27-2007, 12:46 AM	#3 (permalink)
chum Bryozoan Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 56 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I want another Christmas Tree for Christmas PEMfish, Thanks for your interest in my Christmas tree. I am getting more discouraged as it is appearing to shrink more these days. Here is a recent picture taken about a week ago. That is the most it has extended for several weeks now. I'm not sure what you mean by rot?... I do have it on the bottom. Here is a tank shot with the tiny, tiny shrunken christmas tree in the middle front...to the right of the green tongue coral....Help!!! instead of multiplying, I think it is dying....... no Christmas tree for christmas????... __________________ Set up: 65 gal mixed-100 lb.tonga & figi.Fluval canister filter 304, 2X65 watt PC by sunpaq, 420&460NM Dual actinic, 6,700&10,000K Dual daylight, 3 power heads, 3" sand bed, prizm skimmer hang-on. Fish: Scopis tang 5", 3 pajama cardinals, 2 clarki anemone, flame dart, green chromis, Inverts: 1 cleaner shrimp, 2 peppermint shrimp, 4 feather dusters, 2 serpent stars. Corals: pulsating xenia, 3 leather mushrooms, chili cactus, colt, kenya tree, finger, coralmorphins, yellow buttons polyp zooanthids, yellow gorgonians, 2 colonies of orange cups Second tank: 55 gal FOWLR: for agressive fish: 8" speckled fin grouper, choc. chip starfish, hermits, pencil urchin. _____________________________________________ The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace. (Num. 6:24-26)

11-27-2007, 06:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,457 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I want another Christmas Tree for Christmas Awesome tank. I have never seen one scaped like that. __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

11-28-2007, 01:24 PM	#5 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 20,778 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I want another Christmas Tree for Christmas I don't know anything about the Christmas tree but I love your scape. Very original and lots of caves. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back. In Loving Memory Of Z 01/22/07 - 08/19/08

11-29-2007, 04:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
chum Bryozoan Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 56 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I want another Christmas Tree for Christmas Paul 'em and Lynn and Frank, Thanks alot for your encouragement about the tank scape. The corner of my family room only had enough space for a 36 inch wide tank, so I went deep to get a bigger tank. I bought a bunch of big tonga rock "branches" that had tree like branching and then put a secondary level of mostly flat figi on top of that. Since I have a 24" deep 65 gal. tank, I had to get the softies up closer to the light so they live on the secondary level. (I only have 2 watts per gal.) I started to invest in more low light and non photosynthetic corals because I had alot of space on the lower level in the caves and on the bottom. The gorgonions, sun tube corals, and coralmorphins seem to love it down there. The Christmas tree...not so much. The fish seem very happy with lots of places to hide and free space to swim in and out of the tonga branches on the bottom. However, the Christmas tree, should be "in its glory" during this season of the year. I read that it needs to be embedded in a sand bed. I may have to get a wavemaker, as I read somewhere they need alternating current. Thanks again, you guys for the encouragement on the tank...you lifted my spirits even though the Christmas tree has me a little down right now... I have not given up hope, though... Faith, hope, love to all during this season of the year. __________________ Set up: 65 gal mixed-100 lb.tonga & figi.Fluval canister filter 304, 2X65 watt PC by sunpaq, 420&460NM Dual actinic, 6,700&10,000K Dual daylight, 3 power heads, 3" sand bed, prizm skimmer hang-on. Fish: Scopis tang 5", 3 pajama cardinals, 2 clarki anemone, flame dart, green chromis, Inverts: 1 cleaner shrimp, 2 peppermint shrimp, 4 feather dusters, 2 serpent stars. Corals: pulsating xenia, 3 leather mushrooms, chili cactus, colt, kenya tree, finger, coralmorphins, yellow buttons polyp zooanthids, yellow gorgonians, 2 colonies of orange cups Second tank: 55 gal FOWLR: for agressive fish: 8" speckled fin grouper, choc. chip starfish, hermits, pencil urchin. _____________________________________________ The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace. (Num. 6:24-26)

11-29-2007, 05:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
PEMfish Golden Moray Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kane Co. Il. Posts: 2,457 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I want another Christmas Tree for Christmas Yeah, that scape is very wow. __________________ Paul `EM My new 48" reef tank; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-opciones.html My new planted; http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...-planted.html# Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. I'll make the whole damn world jealous if given the money to do so. Don't make mistakes and learn from them, read and learn how to avoid mistakes. a)Fix the damn problem b)live with it -But absolutely no b*tching

11-29-2007, 05:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 20,778 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I want another Christmas Tree for Christmas Gotta have hope. Since I am totally unfamiliar with that coral is it a type of leather? It kind of looks like it but I have never seen one. If it is still doing poorly try changing something in it's environment. You may have it with the flow. With such a deep tank do you have any powerheads lower down? Pointing 2 powerheads at each other does a random flow without a wavemaker. You could at least try it that way before investing. Also be sure your powerheads can go on a wavemaker. I know my Koralias are not supposed to be run on a wavemaker. I think you may have just given me some really good scape ideas for my 90. Thanks. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back. In Loving Memory Of Z 01/22/07 - 08/19/08

12-04-2007, 03:14 AM	#9 (permalink)
chum Bryozoan Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Eastern PA Posts: 56 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I want another Christmas Tree for Christmas I believe these are a type of leather coral, like a cross between a finger leather and a sea rod. They do not contain symbiotic algae and so should be kept in moderate to dim light intensity. Nilsen in Reef Secrets says they are difficult to feed and keep for a longer period of time and tend to collapse with little chance of recovery. Food requirements are tiny planktonic fare, such as live brine shrimp nauphi. I have given it phytofeast, arctipods, phytoplex, zooplex, and other preparations but not "live" food, so that may be the problem... It likes a deep substrate where it can anchor itself. I have it in about a 2 inch sand bed. I do have flow on the bottom, with 2 power heads on opposite sides of the tank which keeps the gorgonions happy. __________________ Set up: 65 gal mixed-100 lb.tonga & figi.Fluval canister filter 304, 2X65 watt PC by sunpaq, 420&460NM Dual actinic, 6,700&10,000K Dual daylight, 3 power heads, 3" sand bed, prizm skimmer hang-on. Fish: Scopis tang 5", 3 pajama cardinals, 2 clarki anemone, flame dart, green chromis, Inverts: 1 cleaner shrimp, 2 peppermint shrimp, 4 feather dusters, 2 serpent stars. Corals: pulsating xenia, 3 leather mushrooms, chili cactus, colt, kenya tree, finger, coralmorphins, yellow buttons polyp zooanthids, yellow gorgonians, 2 colonies of orange cups Second tank: 55 gal FOWLR: for agressive fish: 8" speckled fin grouper, choc. chip starfish, hermits, pencil urchin. _____________________________________________ The LORD bless you and keep you; the LORD make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you; the LORD turn his face toward you and give you peace. (Num. 6:24-26)

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