The Bluespot Club - Page 85

Dentoid · 07-31-2007, 07:48 PM

I spoke to a guy today at Oscar's Exotic Fish, which is where I obtained my BS. I told him the problems that many hobbyists were having with their BS. I asked him where they get their BS from. He said that there are only two suppliers and they are both in South America. He gave me the two names, but wasn't sure and I wasn't able to find them on the internet. He said that he has been to both facilities and they are nicely run.

I told him that I have been successful with the one I got from them but others haven't. He also said that they only keep their BS for a week and only sell them if they are eating. He said they were net caught and they don't get very many when collecting. He said intestinal parasites are common and that initially they may eat but then stop eating when the parasite consumes the stressed fish.

This would explain Lorraine's BS signs and symptoms. Frankie we really need a necropsy on your frozen specimen! Microscopic examination of the internal organs may tell a lot.

cheeks69 · 07-31-2007, 08:04 PM

Humm I wonder if the problem is Hexamita ?
This disease is common in FW but can also infect SW fish. In the Portuguese forum there have been outbreaks of Hexamita in many Clownfish. I don't remember but Lorraine did you get to treat yours with metronidazol ?

Frankie · 07-31-2007, 08:54 PM

I hear you Scott. I would be happy to do it to if you find where i need to get it done. He's still in a block of ice.

Dentoid · 07-31-2007, 08:59 PM

I'll be glad to do that. Give me a few days. I'll research it!

Frankie · 07-31-2007, 09:00 PM

Sweet. My wife will be so happy to hear it! LOL

bluespotjawfish · 07-31-2007, 09:37 PM

I don't know if mine is a good example to work through since he really never started to eat well in my tank. But, here is the treatment that I know he had.

May - He looked colorful, healthy, and very attentive at my lfs. They were treating with Prazipro when I got him (they routinely do this). I inspected every micro inch of him... Can't remember if I asked them to feed him or not but I think I did. He was introduced with another jawfish into my 50 gallon tank with a semi- DSB, separated with a screen a day later, then moved to my 30.

June - He was still not eating, but no visible signs of what could be wrong with him until one day I finally noticed ich on him and did a hyposalinity treatment. He perked up and started eating for a few days, then worsened again. Somewhere shortly after this time I noted white patches on his body.

July - Still not eating, weaker, patches continued. Recently, I noticed stringy stuff coming out of him and treated with metronidazole, he did well the first 2 days of treatment, got worse the 3rd day, and even worse the next morning, so I aborted treatment 1 day early. A day or two later I did a 100% WC and a freshwater/formalin bath because he was not improving. He perked up that day, but died a day or so later. By the time I was treating him he was very weak and had not eaten much for over two months.

Other stuff I tried were Melefix, Stresscoat, and frequent WCs. These seemed to perk him up for a day, but then he would regress again.

I saw visible signs of internal parasites upon death, but don't know what kind.

cheeks69 · 07-31-2007, 10:23 PM

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, I noticed stringy stuff coming out of him and treated with metronidazole

Well you did treat him with the proper medication but it was probably to late. The question I have is, will the higher temps increase the likelyhood of parasitic infections among the BSJ ?

Dentoid · 08-01-2007, 11:05 AM

I left a message today with Andrew Kane, PhD. and Director of the Aquatic Pathobiology Center for VA-MD College of Veterinary Medicine. I gave a little history of our plight and asked for suggestions on how we can have a necropsy done or if he could direct us to the proper lab. I'll let you know as soon as I hear from him.

bluespotjawfish · 08-01-2007, 05:18 PM

Thanks Scott, keep us posted!

Craig Manoukian · 08-01-2007, 06:36 PM

Great idea Scott!

Frankie · 08-01-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dentoid

I left a message today with Andrew Kane, PhD. and Director of the Aquatic Pathobiology Center for VA-MD College of Veterinary Medicine. I gave a little history of our plight and asked for suggestions on how we can have a necropsy done or if he could direct us to the proper lab. I'll let you know as soon as I hear from him.

I will sacrifice my BSJF Popsicle to the cause! Long live the BS's!

canadiensfan · 08-03-2007, 07:31 AM

Very sad news to report. Our BSJF died last night. He was fine an hour before we went to bed, then we went to look at the tank one last time before bed, and he was dead.

I really thought that we were going to make it - we had him for about 50 days. We noticed a "scrape" on him on Wednesday, and then last night he was gone.

Craig Manoukian · 08-03-2007, 06:42 PM

Yikes! That is aweful news!

Dentoid · 08-03-2007, 07:03 PM

I'm so sorry to hear that! That was sudden!

canadiensfan · 08-03-2007, 07:16 PM

I really felt like there was no warning with his death. Like I said, there was a small "scrape" on his left side that we noticed on Wednesday - aproximately 1/2" long by 1/8" wide. It was by no means severe, it just looked like he had a minor abrasion. We discussed it together, and decided we would keep an eye on it to see if it got worse, and medicate if it got worse. It had not visibly changed by Thursday morning, or evening - then, suddenly he was gone. There were no rock falls, and I have no explanation for the "scrape" that appeared before his death. He was eating vigorously - mysis, clam, squid, mussel, enriched brine shrimp (never had any interest in pellets, or frozen "mixtures").

We will not be purchasing another Bluespot Jawfish until we can get a captive bred specimen. We really enjoyed him, and are very, very sad at his loss.

07-31-2007, 07:48 PM	#1261 (permalink)
Dentoid Over Achiever Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 10,240 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: The Bluespot Club I spoke to a guy today at Oscar's Exotic Fish, which is where I obtained my BS. I told him the problems that many hobbyists were having with their BS. I asked him where they get their BS from. He said that there are only two suppliers and they are both in South America. He gave me the two names, but wasn't sure and I wasn't able to find them on the internet. He said that he has been to both facilities and they are nicely run. I told him that I have been successful with the one I got from them but others haven't. He also said that they only keep their BS for a week and only sell them if they are eating. He said they were net caught and they don't get very many when collecting. He said intestinal parasites are common and that initially they may eat but then stop eating when the parasite consumes the stressed fish. This would explain Lorraine's BS signs and symptoms. Frankie we really need a necropsy on your frozen specimen! Microscopic examination of the internal organs may tell a lot. __________________ Scott Dentoid's Reeforama

07-31-2007, 08:04 PM	#1262 (permalink)
cheeks69 Wannabe Guru Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Northeast Posts: 6,707 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: The Bluespot Club Humm I wonder if the problem is Hexamita ? This disease is common in FW but can also infect SW fish. In the Portuguese forum there have been outbreaks of Hexamita in many Clownfish. I don't remember but Lorraine did you get to treat yours with metronidazol ? __________________ Robert My Cube “A spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe—a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” Albert Einstein

07-31-2007, 08:54 PM	#1263 (permalink)
Frankie Angel Girl's Daddy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The End Of The World Posts: 8,088 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: The Bluespot Club I hear you Scott. I would be happy to do it to if you find where i need to get it done. He's still in a block of ice. __________________ Click here to visit my thread: New Horizons Text Is a Poor Form Of Communication! If we ignore the environment maybe it will just go away....

07-31-2007, 08:59 PM	#1264 (permalink)
Dentoid Over Achiever Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 10,240 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: The Bluespot Club I'll be glad to do that. Give me a few days. I'll research it! __________________ Scott Dentoid's Reeforama

07-31-2007, 09:00 PM	#1265 (permalink)
Frankie Angel Girl's Daddy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The End Of The World Posts: 8,088 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: The Bluespot Club Sweet. My wife will be so happy to hear it! LOL __________________ Click here to visit my thread: New Horizons Text Is a Poor Form Of Communication! If we ignore the environment maybe it will just go away....

07-31-2007, 09:37 PM	#1266 (permalink)
bluespotjawfish Tridacna maxima Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 4,221 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: The Bluespot Club I don't know if mine is a good example to work through since he really never started to eat well in my tank. But, here is the treatment that I know he had. May - He looked colorful, healthy, and very attentive at my lfs. They were treating with Prazipro when I got him (they routinely do this). I inspected every micro inch of him... Can't remember if I asked them to feed him or not but I think I did. He was introduced with another jawfish into my 50 gallon tank with a semi- DSB, separated with a screen a day later, then moved to my 30. June - He was still not eating, but no visible signs of what could be wrong with him until one day I finally noticed ich on him and did a hyposalinity treatment. He perked up and started eating for a few days, then worsened again. Somewhere shortly after this time I noted white patches on his body. July - Still not eating, weaker, patches continued. Recently, I noticed stringy stuff coming out of him and treated with metronidazole, he did well the first 2 days of treatment, got worse the 3rd day, and even worse the next morning, so I aborted treatment 1 day early. A day or two later I did a 100% WC and a freshwater/formalin bath because he was not improving. He perked up that day, but died a day or so later. By the time I was treating him he was very weak and had not eaten much for over two months. Other stuff I tried were Melefix, Stresscoat, and frequent WCs. These seemed to perk him up for a day, but then he would regress again. I saw visible signs of internal parasites upon death, but don't know what kind. __________________ Lorraine To BB and all Bluespots - Journey of the 2nd Year ...The 2nd Year - Photoshow Check out Mr. BJ and friends... Mr. BJ's Aquarium - PhotoShow

08-01-2007, 11:05 AM	#1268 (permalink)
Dentoid Over Achiever Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 10,240 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: The Bluespot Club I left a message today with Andrew Kane, PhD. and Director of the Aquatic Pathobiology Center for VA-MD College of Veterinary Medicine. I gave a little history of our plight and asked for suggestions on how we can have a necropsy done or if he could direct us to the proper lab. I'll let you know as soon as I hear from him. __________________ Scott Dentoid's Reeforama

08-01-2007, 05:18 PM	#1269 (permalink)
bluespotjawfish Tridacna maxima Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Utah Posts: 4,221 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: The Bluespot Club Thanks Scott, keep us posted! __________________ Lorraine To BB and all Bluespots - Journey of the 2nd Year ...The 2nd Year - Photoshow Check out Mr. BJ and friends... Mr. BJ's Aquarium - PhotoShow

08-01-2007, 06:36 PM	#1270 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 18,247 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: The Bluespot Club Great idea Scott! __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

08-03-2007, 07:31 AM	#1272 (permalink)
canadiensfan Tunicate Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 22 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: The Bluespot Club Very sad news to report. Our BSJF died last night. He was fine an hour before we went to bed, then we went to look at the tank one last time before bed, and he was dead. I really thought that we were going to make it - we had him for about 50 days. We noticed a "scrape" on him on Wednesday, and then last night he was gone.

08-03-2007, 06:42 PM	#1273 (permalink)
Craig Manoukian Regular Guy Moderator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Marina Del Ray, CA Posts: 18,247 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: The Bluespot Club Yikes! That is aweful news! __________________ Currently tankless. 20 Gallon mini reef with mated pair of Maroon Clowns given to Rougiem! 80 gallon reef given to Rougiem/Wooster HS.

08-03-2007, 07:03 PM	#1274 (permalink)
Dentoid Over Achiever Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 10,240 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: The Bluespot Club I'm so sorry to hear that! That was sudden! __________________ Scott Dentoid's Reeforama

08-03-2007, 07:16 PM	#1275 (permalink)
canadiensfan Tunicate Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 22 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: The Bluespot Club I really felt like there was no warning with his death. Like I said, there was a small "scrape" on his left side that we noticed on Wednesday - aproximately 1/2" long by 1/8" wide. It was by no means severe, it just looked like he had a minor abrasion. We discussed it together, and decided we would keep an eye on it to see if it got worse, and medicate if it got worse. It had not visibly changed by Thursday morning, or evening - then, suddenly he was gone. There were no rock falls, and I have no explanation for the "scrape" that appeared before his death. He was eating vigorously - mysis, clam, squid, mussel, enriched brine shrimp (never had any interest in pellets, or frozen "mixtures"). We will not be purchasing another Bluespot Jawfish until we can get a captive bred specimen. We really enjoyed him, and are very, very sad at his loss.

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