Hole in leather?

Jess · 08-20-2009, 12:52 PM

I noticed yesterday that my favorite coral, my yellow leather, has a hole in the base of it, and I can see the rock through/underneath. Like most of us, I study my tanks and livestock regularly (ok perhaps obsessively!), so I can't imagine it's been there long? Not sure... I took a pic of it, as well as a full shot of the leather. Just want to hear your thoughts, I'd be so, so sad if this was a "bad sign". Thanks!

BigAl07 · 08-20-2009, 01:30 PM

Jess someone else had this exact same problem (at least I think so) recently. I don't have a suggestion but hopefully someone will chime in shortly.

Jess · 08-20-2009, 01:37 PM

Oh man, ok, thanks Al.

If my leather goes down I'm going down with it!!!!!!!!!

Jess · 09-09-2009, 08:36 PM

This is what it looks like now! What on earth... It still looks happy so I don't know, just curious I guess?

BigAl07 · 09-09-2009, 09:14 PM

It's a VERY rare case of "Coral Cooties".

cbrownfish · 09-09-2009, 10:56 PM

There is a type of worm and a type of snail that are leather predators. I would pull out this leather and look for the culprit. It is most likely burrowed inside.....perhaps a late night investigation will reveal something.

Al is right though, there was a thread in the last 6 months about a similar case an the individual found a worm burrowing in the tissue.

cbrownfish · 09-09-2009, 10:59 PM

Here is the thread.......

Finger Leather

Midnight · 09-09-2009, 11:01 PM

Mine started to loose tissue a few months ago and I had to take a power head and point it right at it and I took super glue and glued all around the part were the tissue was being eaten away. Its a idea if you don't find anything that might be eating it.

Sapphire · 09-10-2009, 04:43 AM

I have to say to start out with, that I don't have much experience with these. i have one that I'm just starting with that I got as a tiny frag (it's now attched and growing.

I do notice on the second photo there's a kind of line across the base - what is that? I also see the amount of tearing/detachment has increased so I'm wondering if perhaps (apart from any other action that people can suggest) it might be good to frag this coral in case the whole doesn't make it - especially as the head section looks good and healthy and it is a lovely coral.

All the best with it!

Jess · 09-10-2009, 11:45 AM

Thanks everyone for your help. I think I will try to investigate late tonight when the lights have been off for several hours. A worm is a good possibility. I used to have bristle worms but now that I think of it I haven't seen any in some time. Actually, would a 6-line eat bristle worms? Seems the timing is "right" since I've seen the worms last. Anyways if it is a worm that means I have to capture it!? Crap!

Sapphire, I've noticed that "line" too. Not sure what it is. Almost looks like dead tissue being regrown since there is a color variance. All I know is this leather is by far my favorite coral so I hope it stays healthy!

proenca · 09-10-2009, 03:09 PM

centuries ago, I had the same problem.

very unfortunatly and despite my best efforts, the sarco succumbed.

i tried to cut off the part ( which seemed to be decaying ) , glued to a new rock, had some strong circulation ( to avoid decay / infection ) and the thing still vanished away.

I never knew if it was a parasitic infection / fungus or a worm that was eating it.

The other soft corals were fine and a couple of months after ( I thought that if it was a worm that was feeding on it would die from starvation ) introduced another one and it was fine.

Best of luck on yours

Jess · 09-10-2009, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by proenca

centuries ago, I had the same problem.

very unfortunatly and despite my best efforts, the sarco succumbed.

i tried to cut off the part ( which seemed to be decaying ) , glued to a new rock, had some strong circulation ( to avoid decay / infection ) and the thing still vanished away.

I never knew if it was a parasitic infection / fungus or a worm that was eating it.

The other soft corals were fine and a couple of months after ( I thought that if it was a worm that was feeding on it would die from starvation ) introduced another one and it was fine.

Best of luck on yours

cbrownfish · 09-11-2009, 01:43 AM

That line is common. I have a large Sinularia and it has the same dividing line. Think of it as a root (below) and trunk (above).

Sapphire · 09-11-2009, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbrownfish

That line is common. I have a large Sinularia and it has the same dividing line. Think of it as a root (below) and trunk (above).

Good to know cbrownfish!

Jess · 09-15-2009, 02:02 AM

Well the hole finally snapped and I can see the root in there still. The whole leather seems to look bigger though so maybe this isn't a tragedy after all?

This is an older pic of it

08-20-2009, 12:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jess Plate Coral Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 710 View Gallery Karma Komment	Hole in leather? I noticed yesterday that my favorite coral, my yellow leather, has a hole in the base of it, and I can see the rock through/underneath. Like most of us, I study my tanks and livestock regularly (ok perhaps obsessively!), so I can't imagine it's been there long? Not sure... I took a pic of it, as well as a full shot of the leather. Just want to hear your thoughts, I'd be so, so sad if this was a "bad sign". Thanks! __________________ Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right. Some are known to drunk dial....I drunk feed. Confucius say man who fish in other man's sea bound to catch crabs My very first big girl tank The Nano

08-20-2009, 01:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,551 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Hole in leather? Jess someone else had this exact same problem (at least I think so) recently. I don't have a suggestion but hopefully someone will chime in shortly. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

08-20-2009, 01:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
Jess Plate Coral Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 710 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Hole in leather? Oh man, ok, thanks Al. If my leather goes down I'm going down with it!!!!!!!!! __________________ Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right. Some are known to drunk dial....I drunk feed. Confucius say man who fish in other man's sea bound to catch crabs My very first big girl tank The Nano

09-09-2009, 08:36 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jess Plate Coral Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 710 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Hole in leather? This is what it looks like now! What on earth... It still looks happy so I don't know, just curious I guess? __________________ Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right. Some are known to drunk dial....I drunk feed. Confucius say man who fish in other man's sea bound to catch crabs My very first big girl tank The Nano

09-09-2009, 09:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,551 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Hole in leather? It's a VERY rare case of "Coral Cooties". __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

09-09-2009, 10:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
cbrownfish Reef Lobster Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,633 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Hole in leather? There is a type of worm and a type of snail that are leather predators. I would pull out this leather and look for the culprit. It is most likely burrowed inside.....perhaps a late night investigation will reveal something. Al is right though, there was a thread in the last 6 months about a similar case an the individual found a worm burrowing in the tissue. __________________ *Confucius Say: "best way to save face, is to keep lower part of face shut".* CURRENT SET UP -- 90 gallon display, 30 gallon refugium, 6 gallon pod breeder, 100 gallon sump (complete with frag rack), 2X250 MH 14K DE HQI, Vortech MP40w and Koralia #4 for flow, 2X Tunze 9010 Skimmers, Sequence Dart return, 2X Ranco Controllers w/Titanium Heaters, 150 lb LR (90 in display, 60 in sump), 5" DSB, Mixed reef - Softies, LPS, SPS, Clams.

09-09-2009, 10:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
cbrownfish Reef Lobster Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,633 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Hole in leather? Here is the thread....... Finger Leather __________________ *Confucius Say: "best way to save face, is to keep lower part of face shut".* CURRENT SET UP -- 90 gallon display, 30 gallon refugium, 6 gallon pod breeder, 100 gallon sump (complete with frag rack), 2X250 MH 14K DE HQI, Vortech MP40w and Koralia #4 for flow, 2X Tunze 9010 Skimmers, Sequence Dart return, 2X Ranco Controllers w/Titanium Heaters, 150 lb LR (90 in display, 60 in sump), 5" DSB, Mixed reef - Softies, LPS, SPS, Clams.

09-09-2009, 11:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
Midnight Torch coral Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 554 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Hole in leather? Mine started to loose tissue a few months ago and I had to take a power head and point it right at it and I took super glue and glued all around the part were the tissue was being eaten away. Its a idea if you don't find anything that might be eating it. __________________ 75 gallon Reef 20 gallon sump 55 gallon fuge My tank http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...llys-reef.html

09-10-2009, 04:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
Sapphire Elegance coral Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Christchurch, New Zealand Posts: 1,220 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Hole in leather? I have to say to start out with, that I don't have much experience with these. i have one that I'm just starting with that I got as a tiny frag (it's now attched and growing. I do notice on the second photo there's a kind of line across the base - what is that? I also see the amount of tearing/detachment has increased so I'm wondering if perhaps (apart from any other action that people can suggest) it might be good to frag this coral in case the whole doesn't make it - especially as the head section looks good and healthy and it is a lovely coral. All the best with it! __________________ aka Emma "I know how make a small fortune - start with a large fortune and get a reef tank" My RSM 130

09-10-2009, 11:45 AM	#10 (permalink)
Jess Plate Coral Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 710 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Hole in leather? Thanks everyone for your help. I think I will try to investigate late tonight when the lights have been off for several hours. A worm is a good possibility. I used to have bristle worms but now that I think of it I haven't seen any in some time. Actually, would a 6-line eat bristle worms? Seems the timing is "right" since I've seen the worms last. Anyways if it is a worm that means I have to capture it!? Crap! Sapphire, I've noticed that "line" too. Not sure what it is. Almost looks like dead tissue being regrown since there is a color variance. All I know is this leather is by far my favorite coral so I hope it stays healthy! __________________ Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right. Some are known to drunk dial....I drunk feed. Confucius say man who fish in other man's sea bound to catch crabs My very first big girl tank The Nano

09-10-2009, 03:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
proenca Cabbage Leather Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 372 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Hole in leather? centuries ago, I had the same problem. very unfortunatly and despite my best efforts, the sarco succumbed. i tried to cut off the part ( which seemed to be decaying ) , glued to a new rock, had some strong circulation ( to avoid decay / infection ) and the thing still vanished away. I never knew if it was a parasitic infection / fungus or a worm that was eating it. The other soft corals were fine and a couple of months after ( I thought that if it was a worm that was feeding on it would die from starvation ) introduced another one and it was fine. Best of luck on yours __________________ Gonçalo Proença "I know how to make a small fortune - start with a large fortune and get a reef tank" (c) Emma 2009 Red Sea Max 130D with Tunze 9002 skimmer,Hailea 150A Chiller,inTank media rack / Tunze cup,Aquamedic niveaumat ATO \| My Tank Thread

09-11-2009, 01:43 AM	#13 (permalink)
cbrownfish Reef Lobster Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,633 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Hole in leather? That line is common. I have a large Sinularia and it has the same dividing line. Think of it as a root (below) and trunk (above). __________________ *Confucius Say: "best way to save face, is to keep lower part of face shut".* CURRENT SET UP -- 90 gallon display, 30 gallon refugium, 6 gallon pod breeder, 100 gallon sump (complete with frag rack), 2X250 MH 14K DE HQI, Vortech MP40w and Koralia #4 for flow, 2X Tunze 9010 Skimmers, Sequence Dart return, 2X Ranco Controllers w/Titanium Heaters, 150 lb LR (90 in display, 60 in sump), 5" DSB, Mixed reef - Softies, LPS, SPS, Clams.

09-15-2009, 02:02 AM	#15 (permalink)
Jess Plate Coral Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ventura, CA Posts: 710 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Hole in leather? Well the hole finally snapped and I can see the root in there still. The whole leather seems to look bigger though so maybe this isn't a tragedy after all? This is an older pic of it __________________ Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right. Some are known to drunk dial....I drunk feed. Confucius say man who fish in other man's sea bound to catch crabs My very first big girl tank The Nano

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