Elegance Coral Theory questions

[Dentoid]

With enough research, a cause can be found, it's a matter of funding. Perhaps we can start a not for profit "Save the Elegance Coral" fund raising campaign and donate the money to Eric's research.

[sihaya]

Originally Posted by Dentoid

With enough research, a cause can be found, it's a matter of funding. Perhaps we can start a not for profit "Save the Elegance Coral" fund raising campaign and donate the money to Eric's research.

Been done... many years ago. Thousands of $$ and dozens of corals (including people's personal corals) were donated and nothing ever came of it. The corals, if they survived Eric's "experiments," were never returned. So, no offense, but I would discourage people from giving anything more to Mr. Borneman for this project.

Personally, at this point, I would encourage anyone and everyone ("scientist" or not) to think about this problem and even experiment if they can. Some of the greatest ideas and theories have come from "layman."

I think the people here have some decent ideas. And there might be other people (real scientists) who could help. Maybe someone could even post to the NOAA Coral List Serve or contact Dave Lackland. This would be one way to maybe get some help from successful and experienced coral researchers.

[charlesr1958]

Too funny, you can not ever pass the chance to try and beat up on Eric and belittle him every chance you get. Nothing come of it? Having found pathogens within the coral is a great deal more than nothing. And how do you know the amount of money involved? The not so hidden agenda rises yet again.

Chuck

[charlesr1958]

I also meant to ask how one goes about contacting Dave Lackland?

Chuck

[boozeman]

Let us try not to delve into the politics involved behind the scenes, nor confuse the 'issues' involved between Mr. Bornemans floridian corals and his research into the elegance (both have always been separate).
I believe a lot of good can come from healthy exchanges of ideas between hobyists and scientists alike. [After all, many of the advances this hobby has seen in recent years has been atributed to the endeavors of dedicated aquarists worldwide].
I would hate to see this thread devolve into a shouting platform on legal/political issues...and I implore to all its participants to conduct themselves in a corteous and professional manner or the thread will be closed.

[Kazzy]

The first thought that popped into my head when I read that was that this was coming from a guy with a screaming kid as his avatar LOL and that if he can be courteous, then anyone can.
P.S.
I don't mean this disrespectfully, just thought it was funny what my brain says when I don't expect it..

[sihaya]

Originally Posted by boozeman

Let us try not to delve into the politics involved behind the scenes, nor confuse the 'issues' involved between Mr. Bornemans floridian corals and his research into the elegance (both have always been separate).

Well, of course they have always been separate and I'm not comparing the two at all. However, the fact still remains that it has been at least 5 years since the Elegance Coral Project was started. A few thousand $$ and dozens of corals later, and nothing so much as a reefkeeping article has been published since it started.

I just think it's time we entertained the ideas of some new people. There are other, more experienced scientists and researchers who might be able to help us.

[sihaya]

Originally Posted by charlesr1958

Having found pathogens within the coral is a great deal more than nothing.

Um, no it's not. We pretty much all always knew it was infectious. What we need to know is WHICH pathogen (or pathogens) and how, why, and when they infect the coral. Mr. Borneman has only told us what we all already knew... that something is infecting these corals.

[charlesr1958]

You're doing it again.

[John Kelly]

It is beyond me why some people can not seem to realize that the SOLUTION to the Elegance coral problem has already been proposed by a person that has been studying the behavior of multiple specimens for 1 1/2 years.

Why is it so difficult to give this person an ear and a little support?

Perhaps we can start a not for profit "Save the Elegance Coral" fund raising campaign and donate the money to Darrell's research. Maybe he is the one who needs donations.

[sihaya]

Originally Posted by John Kelly

Perhaps we can start a not for profit "Save the Elegance Coral" fund raising campaign and donate the money to Darrell's research. Maybe he is the one who needs donations.

Mr. Kelly, I so rarely go solely on anyone's word alone. But I have so much respect for you and what you've done with the Goniopora corals that if you just tell me how and where Mr. Darrell is, I will send him a check.

[sihaya]

And if Darrell needs anything in the way of a website and/or attention, I'd be happy to make him a website (free hosting, design, etc.) Just tell him to contact me at sihaya@gmail.com. I can even link it on my ASIRA.org site which is starting to get more and more daily traffic these days.

[boozeman]

Originally Posted by sihaya

Um, no it's not. We pretty much all always knew it was infectious. .

the core of Darells theory is that the death of these corals is due to husbandry practices and not a pathogenic vehicle.

[John Kelly]

Originally Posted by sihaya

Mr. Kelly, I so rarely go solely on anyone's word alone. But I have so much respect for you and what you've done with the Goniopora corals that if you just tell me how and where Mr. Darrell is, I will send him a check.

Thank you Sara. I doubt it will come down to a problem of funding. It is more a problem of hobbyists acting as a collective to test the proposed solution through their own experience instead of debating whether or not it is correct or incorrect (armchair scientists). I basically made the suggestion as a response to the following quote, which as you so delicately pointed out, it is a road that has already been taken .

Originally Posted by Dentoid

With enough research, a cause can be found, it's a matter of funding. Perhaps we can start a not for profit "Save the Elegance Coral" fund raising campaign and donate the money to Eric's research.

I think Darrell is planning to create an instructional web site with the details and "evidence" of his research as his next step.

btw, I can tell that your web site is getting more traffic .

[boozeman]

Originally Posted by John Kelly

...Why is it so difficult to give this person an ear and a little support?

He has been given an ear and ample support...if that werent so , the threads wouldve been closed and removed from public view a long time ago.
why are you so quick to take his theory as proof...by definition theories are made to be challenged it is only by doing so that we may grow.