FrogSpawn Mold/Algae?

BigAl07 · 07-18-2007, 12:32 PM

I have had FrogSpawn in my tank since I could first put corals into it. I started with a 3 stalk branching one. It split into 2 heads per stalk so I fragged it a few months back into 3 individual stalks. About 2 weeks ago one of the stalks didn't open up at all and that seemed strange because they are almost always at least partially extended. The next morning when I left for work it had this brownish transparent "slime/mold/algae" in both heads. I took a turkey baster and blew off the delicate brown stuff. That evening the color was gone from all the "green areas" and the meaty section was seemingly dissolving. I removed it from the tank at that point.

All has been good until this morning. One of the other branches has a very similar "slime" look to it when I left for work. My wife said it didn't open at ALL yesterday.

Has anyone seen this on their FrogSpawn? Know what it is? Know of a way to treat it? It's strange how FAST it happens. I am worried because I don't want it to kill the 3rd stalk or my Torch or Hammer (which are in the same family).

Ideas?

I wish I had a pic but the camera was TOTALLY dead this morning. I might try again tonight.

Allen

Triggerjay · 07-18-2007, 12:49 PM

yes, I have had the same problem in the past. It was brown jelly disease. Lynn on here just went through a siiliar experience. I did FW dips with RO water, and saved a few heads. The dead heads had to be cut away with a dremel. Brown Jelly is a bacterial infection, and is usually caused from injury.. a fish nipping at the coral flesh, getting scraped on a rock, being damaged during handling... it is an almost overnight problem... one day they look fine, and the next, the heads start melting away... Is the brownish slime on the skeleton directly under the head? I lost 3 or four heads... the problem also came about two weeks after fragging. The ones I had were delivered here for a frag swap and belonged to someone else... and were freshly fragged. There was one infected frag that we did not throw away, and no one wanted it at the swap, and it was left here. I decided to try to doctor it back to health.. and it was in REAL bad condition. Barley any flesh left... I did RO/DI dips for about a week, and it came back to its former glory. Hope this helps.. its prob. not the preferred method, but it worked for me...

Jason

BigAl07 · 07-18-2007, 12:52 PM

Thanks Jason! So by FW dips do you mean literally just "quickly" dipping in Fresh RO or a prolonged bath?

Allen

lcstorc · 07-18-2007, 12:53 PM

Sounds like it could be the dreaded brown jelly disease.
Here is a link with some good info about the disease prevention and treatment.
HTH
Corals - Bacterial

CorlDisFAQ6

Triggerjay · 07-18-2007, 01:37 PM

I actually took the head, and put it directly under my ro faucet at the sink, and rubbed off as much brown as I could... the first time I did it, I thought I killed it due to the way it looked... then once back in the tank, it started to open..I did this for about a week,... and a month later, it is fully restored to its formerly glory. I kept it under the faucet for about a minute each day.. But like I said, it worked for me, but prob not the preferred method.. Its all I could think to do at the time...

Jason

BigAl07 · 07-18-2007, 03:04 PM

Excellent read Lynn. I've already added a random flow powerhead into the tank hoping that will help in the future.

would I be OK to literally DIP them in RO Fresh Water? I don't have an RO tap because I buy my RO. I was thinking of filling a small clean tub with fresh RO and simply placing them in there for a couple of moments with some aggitation to help loosen anything that will come off. Also I plan on doing this to all that are able to be dipped just in case.

Does this sound like a GOOd idea?

Allen

Triggerjay · 07-18-2007, 03:21 PM

It worked for me, but I only did it as a last resort..It seemed to work though..

Jason

lcstorc · 07-18-2007, 03:32 PM

I tried an iodine dip with mine and it didn't work. Maybe the coral was too far gone already but I tried it. I thought it was coming back but it didn't I was reading that article and it says that it usually starts when a fish is nipping at the coral. This I can believe. The first time around I had a flameback angel that was later found to be nipping at corals and was then removed after killing them all.
This time the only coral affected was the one put near my chevron's favorite spot. I never saw him nipping but now believe that he was. The hammer on the opposite end of the tank still looks fabulous. The one near his home is now dead. Expensive lesson learned I guess.

BigAl07 · 07-18-2007, 03:48 PM

I don't have any "nippers" but I do have a clown that's "Hosting" in the Frogspawn... maybe he's being too rough with them?

Triggerjay · 07-18-2007, 05:45 PM

that could be your culprit..

Jason

BigAl07 · 07-18-2007, 07:32 PM

Well it's official... those two heads are DOA! I pulled that branch out to do a FW dip and all the soft tissue dissolved into the FW bowl in about 3 seconds... I lifted it up and nothing was left but the stoney part. Oh well.

Now do I go ahead and do a FW did for the other one even though it looks CLEAN now?

Allen

Triggerjay · 07-18-2007, 08:09 PM

no, if it looks good, I would leave it alone. The peice I did the FW dip on had melted away, and there was only a hint of flesh left. Brown Jelly is highly contageous, so keep an eye on any other LPS corals you have. I made sure the uneffected peices were moved to a different location in the tank from the others to lessen the chance of it getting to them. I figured I had crashed my whole tank when I removed the damaged peices as the flesh and slime went into the water coloumn, but they faired with no ill effects..Sorry they didnt make it...

Jason

BigAl07 · 07-18-2007, 08:24 PM

Thanks Jason. I am inspecting EVERYTHING very closely now just in case.

sasquatch · 07-18-2007, 08:29 PM

Hi Allen! sorry about the frogspawn, somethings cant be stopped yet, hopefully one day tho

Jason the ro/di treatment is a new one to me, I wonder if the aggressive nature of ro water pulled something out of the jelly? Whatever it is,supposedly gets right into the coral body and thats why it looks gone but comes back real quick, there is a thread somewhere about antibiotic dips. Steve

Triggerjay · 07-18-2007, 11:16 PM

lol, the ro-di dip was a last resort. I had nothing else on hand... but it worked for me.. I will get a current pic up tomorrow of how it looks now.. It was nearly and I mean NEARLY dead on june 3rd... (the date of our frag swap).. You will be suprised when you see how it looks now..

Jason

07-18-2007, 12:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? I have had FrogSpawn in my tank since I could first put corals into it. I started with a 3 stalk branching one. It split into 2 heads per stalk so I fragged it a few months back into 3 individual stalks. About 2 weeks ago one of the stalks didn't open up at all and that seemed strange because they are almost always at least partially extended. The next morning when I left for work it had this brownish transparent "slime/mold/algae" in both heads. I took a turkey baster and blew off the delicate brown stuff. That evening the color was gone from all the "green areas" and the meaty section was seemingly dissolving. I removed it from the tank at that point. All has been good until this morning. One of the other branches has a very similar "slime" look to it when I left for work. My wife said it didn't open at ALL yesterday. Has anyone seen this on their FrogSpawn? Know what it is? Know of a way to treat it? It's strange how FAST it happens. I am worried because I don't want it to kill the 3rd stalk or my Torch or Hammer (which are in the same family). Ideas? I wish I had a pic but the camera was TOTALLY dead this morning. I might try again tonight. Allen __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

07-18-2007, 12:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
Triggerjay Golden Moray Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Springfield MO Posts: 2,071 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? yes, I have had the same problem in the past. It was brown jelly disease. Lynn on here just went through a siiliar experience. I did FW dips with RO water, and saved a few heads. The dead heads had to be cut away with a dremel. Brown Jelly is a bacterial infection, and is usually caused from injury.. a fish nipping at the coral flesh, getting scraped on a rock, being damaged during handling... it is an almost overnight problem... one day they look fine, and the next, the heads start melting away... Is the brownish slime on the skeleton directly under the head? I lost 3 or four heads... the problem also came about two weeks after fragging. The ones I had were delivered here for a frag swap and belonged to someone else... and were freshly fragged. There was one infected frag that we did not throw away, and no one wanted it at the swap, and it was left here. I decided to try to doctor it back to health.. and it was in REAL bad condition. Barley any flesh left... I did RO/DI dips for about a week, and it came back to its former glory. Hope this helps.. its prob. not the preferred method, but it worked for me... Jason __________________ The start of my journey: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...xperience.html My current journey: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ld-thread.html My clownfish breeding log: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ne-fishes.html

07-18-2007, 12:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? Thanks Jason! So by FW dips do you mean literally just "quickly" dipping in Fresh RO or a prolonged bath? Allen __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

07-18-2007, 12:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 26,433 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? Sounds like it could be the dreaded brown jelly disease. Here is a link with some good info about the disease prevention and treatment. HTH Corals - Bacterial CorlDisFAQ6 __________________ Peace LYNN Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Lynn's frag tank experiment A reef tank is like a race car. The faster you go the harder you crash.

07-18-2007, 01:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
Triggerjay Golden Moray Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Springfield MO Posts: 2,071 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? I actually took the head, and put it directly under my ro faucet at the sink, and rubbed off as much brown as I could... the first time I did it, I thought I killed it due to the way it looked... then once back in the tank, it started to open..I did this for about a week,... and a month later, it is fully restored to its formerly glory. I kept it under the faucet for about a minute each day.. But like I said, it worked for me, but prob not the preferred method.. Its all I could think to do at the time... Jason __________________ The start of my journey: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...xperience.html My current journey: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ld-thread.html My clownfish breeding log: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ne-fishes.html

07-18-2007, 03:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? Excellent read Lynn. I've already added a random flow powerhead into the tank hoping that will help in the future. would I be OK to literally DIP them in RO Fresh Water? I don't have an RO tap because I buy my RO. I was thinking of filling a small clean tub with fresh RO and simply placing them in there for a couple of moments with some aggitation to help loosen anything that will come off. Also I plan on doing this to all that are able to be dipped just in case. Does this sound like a GOOd idea? Allen __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

07-18-2007, 03:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
Triggerjay Golden Moray Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Springfield MO Posts: 2,071 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? It worked for me, but I only did it as a last resort..It seemed to work though.. Jason __________________ The start of my journey: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...xperience.html My current journey: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ld-thread.html My clownfish breeding log: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ne-fishes.html

07-18-2007, 03:32 PM	#8 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 26,433 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? I tried an iodine dip with mine and it didn't work. Maybe the coral was too far gone already but I tried it. I thought it was coming back but it didn't I was reading that article and it says that it usually starts when a fish is nipping at the coral. This I can believe. The first time around I had a flameback angel that was later found to be nipping at corals and was then removed after killing them all. This time the only coral affected was the one put near my chevron's favorite spot. I never saw him nipping but now believe that he was. The hammer on the opposite end of the tank still looks fabulous. The one near his home is now dead. Expensive lesson learned I guess. __________________ Peace LYNN Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Lynn's frag tank experiment A reef tank is like a race car. The faster you go the harder you crash.

07-18-2007, 03:48 PM	#9 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? I don't have any "nippers" but I do have a clown that's "Hosting" in the Frogspawn... maybe he's being too rough with them? __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

07-18-2007, 05:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
Triggerjay Golden Moray Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Springfield MO Posts: 2,071 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? that could be your culprit.. Jason __________________ The start of my journey: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...xperience.html My current journey: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ld-thread.html My clownfish breeding log: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ne-fishes.html

07-18-2007, 07:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? Well it's official... those two heads are DOA! I pulled that branch out to do a FW dip and all the soft tissue dissolved into the FW bowl in about 3 seconds... I lifted it up and nothing was left but the stoney part. Oh well. Now do I go ahead and do a FW did for the other one even though it looks CLEAN now? Allen __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

07-18-2007, 08:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
Triggerjay Golden Moray Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Springfield MO Posts: 2,071 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? no, if it looks good, I would leave it alone. The peice I did the FW dip on had melted away, and there was only a hint of flesh left. Brown Jelly is highly contageous, so keep an eye on any other LPS corals you have. I made sure the uneffected peices were moved to a different location in the tank from the others to lessen the chance of it getting to them. I figured I had crashed my whole tank when I removed the damaged peices as the flesh and slime went into the water coloumn, but they faired with no ill effects..Sorry they didnt make it... Jason __________________ The start of my journey: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...xperience.html My current journey: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ld-thread.html My clownfish breeding log: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ne-fishes.html

07-18-2007, 08:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
BigAl07 Do I look as lost as I am Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Waynesville, North Carolina Posts: 21,549 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? Thanks Jason. I am inspecting EVERYTHING very closely now just in case. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Live Rock Rubble will do the SAME thing as Bio-Balls and is NOT a suitable replacement for BIO-BALLS in a Reef System! It's ALL gotta go!!* Nitrate (NO3) reduction is directly proportional to percentage of Water Change. Allen's home-made formula...currentNO3-((%WC.01)currentNO3)=finalNO3 (thanks Luukosian) This means if you change 50% of your total water volume (That's EVERYTHING) you'll get a net reduction of (NO3) somewhere around 50%. Ask me about how to increase your REEF budget without going without FOOD!!* Big Al's 10g Julie's (BigAl's Gal) 6g NanoCube Gone but not forgotten BigAl's Slow 90g Tank Chronicle Allens OFFICE 12g Nano-Reef

07-18-2007, 08:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,981 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? Hi Allen! sorry about the frogspawn, somethings cant be stopped yet, hopefully one day tho Jason the ro/di treatment is a new one to me, I wonder if the aggressive nature of ro water pulled something out of the jelly? Whatever it is,supposedly gets right into the coral body and thats why it looks gone but comes back real quick, there is a thread somewhere about antibiotic dips. Steve

07-18-2007, 11:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
Triggerjay Golden Moray Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Springfield MO Posts: 2,071 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: FrogSpawn Mold/Algae? lol, the ro-di dip was a last resort. I had nothing else on hand... but it worked for me.. I will get a current pic up tomorrow of how it looks now.. It was nearly and I mean NEARLY dead on june 3rd... (the date of our frag swap).. You will be suprised when you see how it looks now.. Jason __________________ The start of my journey: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...xperience.html My current journey: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ld-thread.html My clownfish breeding log: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...ne-fishes.html

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