Saving some sps, need help

InLimbo87 · 03-25-2007, 07:40 PM

Well, I finally convinced a friend of mine to sell me the last of his dying sps. He doesn't take the time needed to make sure his water quality is right, and has overstocked his tank, so they are all dying. Well, anyways, the one's that I got aren't too bad when it comes to tissue degradation, however one of them (a good sized acro colony) has tissue receding from the base, and another (i think a valida of sorts) has some receding from the tips.

My question is, would it be beneficial to cut away the dead parts at all? Or should I just put them in a good location in my tank and hope that they continue to improve? Any help from anyone experienced with rehabilitating sps' have any other good advice on how I can bring these guys back? I'll take pics in a little bit for a visual.

blue_eyes53813 · 03-25-2007, 07:42 PM

I would just put them in the tank and leave them alone... Less stress is best.. Good luck... And shame on your friend,, lol

InLimbo87 · 03-25-2007, 08:13 PM

Yeah it really is a shame. He knows better, too, even worked at several lfs' and is just lazy and selfish. O well, here's some pics. And of course I had to thrown in a fts.

Here's a pic of the colony, really hope this one makes it. The only tissue receding is on the base.

Here's a pic of another frag from him. This is the one I'm most worried about. Has a good bit of tissue receding from tips, and now I'm noticing the base is also receding.

And this is the last one. Not really worried about this one at all, just seems to have browned out a bit.

And heres the fts...

Anyone have any ideas on the ids of these. I know the first one is acropora of some sort, but the rest i have no idea. He said it was some sort of valida. I'm really bad with identifying sps, but have actually had pretty good luck keeping them. *knock on wood.

DaddyJax · 03-25-2007, 08:47 PM

I would dip and hope.

mps9506 · 03-25-2007, 10:13 PM

All you can relaly do is provide good water quality, light and wait it out. The second one looks pretty bad. The other two just keep an eye out for polyp extension, that will be a good sign. Good luck

InLimbo87 · 03-25-2007, 10:34 PM

The first one is already getting good polyp extension, and the third is beginning to show signs of extension also. The second is probably a gonner the more and more I look at it. I just hope the first one makes it. After all, I did only have to pay him $20 for all of them.

InLimbo87 · 03-25-2007, 11:51 PM

So it looks like I've got some finger crossing to do. Karma to whoever can correctly identify at least one of em

SueT · 03-26-2007, 05:55 PM

the first pic I'm not sure of but the second pic definitely looks like a tortuosa of some sort. I don't think it's a valida, the first pic. If it were me, I might try clipping off the dead end tips on the second pic. I still think it can make it. Give it good lighting{this also applys for the others} and flow and stable water params and it sure could turn around.

InLimbo87 · 03-26-2007, 08:25 PM

Good news! The one from the second pic has some polyp extension today. I wasn't expecting much of a recovery from it, but we shall see. I believe that the third frag is a tri-color valida and i think your right that the other is a tort. Now, what of the first? Acropora tortuosa also?

SueT · 03-27-2007, 09:27 AM

the last pic actually looks just like my cali tort. The second pic looks just like my ORA tort. The first pic is definitely not a tortuosa. It almost looks like it may end up being a tri-color. By that I'm only going by the growth shape. When colors comes back it should be easier to tell. And thats great news about some polyp extension on the second frag.

What kind of lighting do you have them under...it's nice looking.

saltwaterfarm · 03-27-2007, 10:01 AM

I have to agree on the first pic. It looks a lot like my tri-color... color is off, but it's REALLY similar.

SueT · 03-28-2007, 05:57 PM

InLimbo, be sure to let us know how the frags and colony come along. I'm interested in seeing how they do for you.

InLimbo87 · 03-29-2007, 06:58 PM

Will do. So far so good on them. I've been trying to keep everything as pristine as possible so that they can make it. No new flesh development as far as I can tell over the top of any old dead stuff but no more recession as of yet. All three are showing polyps, so I'm hoping they'll pull through.

Sue, I took your advice and clipped the ends off that tort. Seems like it didn't stress it out too much, and I've heard others say the same about it. My tank has 150w 14k HQI's.

More pictures and updates will continue, as I am uber excited to see how these guys will fare.

Snappy · 04-15-2007, 03:32 PM

Personally, I would cut an insurance frag from the healthiest area on the first one if the STN is quite prominent. Even with polyp extension you never know, sometimes they can turn RTN on you and it's gone in a matter of hours. I was coral sitting for a friend who had old tank syndrome, and waiting for his new tank, and thought about an insurance frag but didn't bother because it seemed fine, and then 2 days ago it rtn'd and by the time I fragged it was too late. That was after it was in my tank for 2 weeks and had super hairy polyp extension. Fortunately the other 4 acro's of his are fine. Anyway long story short, I'd cut a frag just in case. Looks like a nice piece so it's ok if you end up with 2.

03-25-2007, 07:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
InLimbo87 Harlequin Tuskfish Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Orlando Posts: 992 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Saving some sps, need help Well, I finally convinced a friend of mine to sell me the last of his dying sps. He doesn't take the time needed to make sure his water quality is right, and has overstocked his tank, so they are all dying. Well, anyways, the one's that I got aren't too bad when it comes to tissue degradation, however one of them (a good sized acro colony) has tissue receding from the base, and another (i think a valida of sorts) has some receding from the tips. My question is, would it be beneficial to cut away the dead parts at all? Or should I just put them in a good location in my tank and hope that they continue to improve? Any help from anyone experienced with rehabilitating sps' have any other good advice on how I can bring these guys back? I'll take pics in a little bit for a visual. __________________ We are forever responsible for that which we tame... Oceanic 33g Cube Tank Thread ~Ian~

03-25-2007, 07:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
blue_eyes53813 fully trained mod,,,its my fault~ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lancaster, Wisconsin Posts: 5,852 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Saving some sps, need help I would just put them in the tank and leave them alone... Less stress is best.. Good luck... And shame on your friend,, lol __________________ 265 Gallon Reef built into basement wall. Lighting = 6x250 watts MH, 2x96 watt PC ,and 2x140 watt VHO for a total watt of 1,972 watts . New addition on 4-14-07 of 100 gallon sump and 100 gallon refugium. I think I have lost my mind. Gotta love this hobby Vicki Life is like a pathway of untrodden snow. Be careful how you step in it for every mark will show Definition of FRIENDSHIP: All lives touch other lives to create something new and alive My tank chronicles. http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/...wall-reef.html

03-25-2007, 08:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
InLimbo87 Harlequin Tuskfish Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Orlando Posts: 992 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Saving some sps, need help Yeah it really is a shame. He knows better, too, even worked at several lfs' and is just lazy and selfish. O well, here's some pics. And of course I had to thrown in a fts. Here's a pic of the colony, really hope this one makes it. The only tissue receding is on the base. Here's a pic of another frag from him. This is the one I'm most worried about. Has a good bit of tissue receding from tips, and now I'm noticing the base is also receding. And this is the last one. Not really worried about this one at all, just seems to have browned out a bit. And heres the fts... Anyone have any ideas on the ids of these. I know the first one is acropora of some sort, but the rest i have no idea. He said it was some sort of valida. I'm really bad with identifying sps, but have actually had pretty good luck keeping them. knock on wood. __________________ We are forever responsible for that which we tame...* Oceanic 33g Cube Tank Thread ~Ian~

03-25-2007, 08:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
DaddyJax Fire Coral Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 77 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Saving some sps, need help I would dip and hope. __________________ Success is not measured by who has the most but by who needs the least.

03-25-2007, 10:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
mps9506 They misunderestimated me Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Charlotte and Wilmington, NC Posts: 6,862 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Saving some sps, need help All you can relaly do is provide good water quality, light and wait it out. The second one looks pretty bad. The other two just keep an eye out for polyp extension, that will be a good sign. Good luck __________________ Mike "The Bandwith Bandit" Help Build Reefpedia Premium Membership Available! Support Reef Sanctuary Sponsors

03-25-2007, 10:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
InLimbo87 Harlequin Tuskfish Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Orlando Posts: 992 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Saving some sps, need help The first one is already getting good polyp extension, and the third is beginning to show signs of extension also. The second is probably a gonner the more and more I look at it. I just hope the first one makes it. After all, I did only have to pay him $20 for all of them. __________________ We are forever responsible for that which we tame... Oceanic 33g Cube Tank Thread ~Ian~

03-25-2007, 11:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
InLimbo87 Harlequin Tuskfish Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Orlando Posts: 992 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Saving some sps, need help So it looks like I've got some finger crossing to do. Karma to whoever can correctly identify at least one of em __________________ We are forever responsible for that which we tame... Oceanic 33g Cube Tank Thread ~Ian~

03-26-2007, 05:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
SueT Neon dottyback Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 650 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Saving some sps, need help the first pic I'm not sure of but the second pic definitely looks like a tortuosa of some sort. I don't think it's a valida, the first pic. If it were me, I might try clipping off the dead end tips on the second pic. I still think it can make it. Give it good lighting{this also applys for the others} and flow and stable water params and it sure could turn around. __________________ 120g sps/clam tank: http://berlinmethod.com/suet/ 2x250w 10k reeflux, actinic supplementation, mag12 return, 2 mjmods-1200, 2 mj1200 on wavemaker, kalk drip, ASM G3, 75+ spp. of acropora and montipora plating & encrusting sp. http://clamsdirect.com/phpbb2/

03-26-2007, 08:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
InLimbo87 Harlequin Tuskfish Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Orlando Posts: 992 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Saving some sps, need help Good news! The one from the second pic has some polyp extension today. I wasn't expecting much of a recovery from it, but we shall see. I believe that the third frag is a tri-color valida and i think your right that the other is a tort. Now, what of the first? Acropora tortuosa also? __________________ We are forever responsible for that which we tame... Oceanic 33g Cube Tank Thread ~Ian~

03-27-2007, 09:27 AM	#10 (permalink)
SueT Neon dottyback Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 650 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Saving some sps, need help the last pic actually looks just like my cali tort. The second pic looks just like my ORA tort. The first pic is definitely not a tortuosa. It almost looks like it may end up being a tri-color. By that I'm only going by the growth shape. When colors comes back it should be easier to tell. And thats great news about some polyp extension on the second frag. What kind of lighting do you have them under...it's nice looking. __________________ 120g sps/clam tank: http://berlinmethod.com/suet/ 2x250w 10k reeflux, actinic supplementation, mag12 return, 2 mjmods-1200, 2 mj1200 on wavemaker, kalk drip, ASM G3, 75+ spp. of acropora and montipora plating & encrusting sp. http://clamsdirect.com/phpbb2/

03-27-2007, 10:01 AM	#11 (permalink)
saltwaterfarm Manta Ray Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 3,222 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Saving some sps, need help I have to agree on the first pic. It looks a lot like my tri-color... color is off, but it's REALLY similar. __________________ Lisa 90 Gal AGA, DIY Sump/Fuge, Current Outer Orbit 250w MH's with T5's. AquaC Remora Pro Skimmer, RK2.[/font] Purple LTA, pair of Percula Clowns, Clams, Softies, Shrooms, Ricordea, Echinophyllia, Torch, Frogspawn, Blastos, Sponges, Acro, Wellso, the NEW Zoa Mountain, and some more stuff... 3 Gal Sexy Shrimp Pico. 29 Gal Oceanic BioCube, Current Sunpod 150w MH.

03-28-2007, 05:57 PM	#12 (permalink)
SueT Neon dottyback Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 650 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Saving some sps, need help InLimbo, be sure to let us know how the frags and colony come along. I'm interested in seeing how they do for you. __________________ 120g sps/clam tank: http://berlinmethod.com/suet/ 2x250w 10k reeflux, actinic supplementation, mag12 return, 2 mjmods-1200, 2 mj1200 on wavemaker, kalk drip, ASM G3, 75+ spp. of acropora and montipora plating & encrusting sp. http://clamsdirect.com/phpbb2/

03-29-2007, 06:58 PM	#13 (permalink)
InLimbo87 Harlequin Tuskfish Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Orlando Posts: 992 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: Saving some sps, need help Will do. So far so good on them. I've been trying to keep everything as pristine as possible so that they can make it. No new flesh development as far as I can tell over the top of any old dead stuff but no more recession as of yet. All three are showing polyps, so I'm hoping they'll pull through. Sue, I took your advice and clipped the ends off that tort. Seems like it didn't stress it out too much, and I've heard others say the same about it. My tank has 150w 14k HQI's. More pictures and updates will continue, as I am uber excited to see how these guys will fare. __________________ We are forever responsible for that which we tame... Oceanic 33g Cube Tank Thread ~Ian~

04-15-2007, 03:32 PM	#14 (permalink)
Snappy Pistol Shrimp Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 267 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: Saving some sps, need help Personally, I would cut an insurance frag from the healthiest area on the first one if the STN is quite prominent. Even with polyp extension you never know, sometimes they can turn RTN on you and it's gone in a matter of hours. I was coral sitting for a friend who had old tank syndrome, and waiting for his new tank, and thought about an insurance frag but didn't bother because it seemed fine, and then 2 days ago it rtn'd and by the time I fragged it was too late. That was after it was in my tank for 2 weeks and had super hairy polyp extension. Fortunately the other 4 acro's of his are fine. Anyway long story short, I'd cut a frag just in case. Looks like a nice piece so it's ok if you end up with 2. __________________ *GREG* http://canada.frags.org/memberprofile.php?id=7726

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