zoos die

bigfish · 03-09-2007, 01:01 AM

hi i have had a colony of zoanthids in my tank. they were thriving at first but slowly they died off almost into nothing..... i test my water and i am sure the quality is fine and i know ihave enough light. I also had a bubble that did the same thing. I have finger and toadstool leather that are still doing great and mushrooms that flourish. Any help would be appreciated. thanks.

fidojoe · 03-09-2007, 01:37 AM

What kind of lighting on what sized tank? Some zoos can be very touchy, and most zoos require more light than leathers, and definitely more than mushrooms.

DaBird · 03-09-2007, 01:40 AM

Hi Bigfish, man , there's so many things that could be causing your probs. How old is your tank? Sometimes a tank will mature and then some corals thrive that wouldn't before. I know I had this same problem when my tank was starting (less than a year) but now I can grow allot of corals that I used to struggle with, I know this doesn't answer your question, but it might help in the long run...Patience & luck...D

bigfish · 03-09-2007, 01:53 AM

my tank is 8 months or so and i ue 220 watt compacts and another 40 watts of actinics. it was in the beginning few months when i did introduce them. maybe i can give it another shot

kyrie_eleison · 03-09-2007, 10:25 AM

That's so strange! I have the exact same problem. I have many other corals (toadstool, colt, bubbles and frogspawn) that are all doing great EXCEPT for my zoos. I have the same situation also; I even do 20% water changes every week! However, I have a theory...it could be an infestation: possibly aiptasia and bristleworms because I saw one a couple of days ago moving around my zoos and one anemone very close by.

It's just a theory but seems plausible since I don't have anything in my tanks that eat zoos except possibly a scopas but I feed it and the rest of his tank mates so good that can't seem right.

Woodstock · 03-09-2007, 10:30 AM

I highly recommend fresh water/iodine dipping all new/sick zoanthids. They could be infested with sundial snails or a disease.

Once the dip is finished, place the zoas in a med-high flow with med-high light. Some zoas like high light/flow, others like med light/flow.

Warnberg · 03-09-2007, 11:39 AM

Zoanthid eating nudi......

Woodstock · 03-09-2007, 11:40 AM

Could be... dip them!

fidojoe · 03-09-2007, 11:46 AM

Infestation is a really big possibility. If you leave your tank zoo free for a while, you can get rid of them. Sea spiders could be the problem too.

goldenmean · 03-09-2007, 12:51 PM

I am going through a similar problem with my zoanthids. I have lost 2 colonies and 2 other colonies have been affected but I am hoping they may survive. I found some great information on unexplained zoanthid wasting disease on RC's Zoanthid forum. It started with a new colony that I had added about two weeks before. (I always give new Zoas a fresh water dip). I threw that rock out right away but then a colony on my base rock started deteriorating There was nothing I could do but watch. A week later the colony of well over 100 polyps was completly gone. My other colonies did not show any signs of it until the 2nd colony was nearly all gone.

Fresh water dips seem to have slowed the progression of this wasting disease on a couple of my colonies along with small water changes every day.
I think I have saved these but have probably lost about 2/3 of those colonies. I have another colony that is clearly a different species and they have been unaffected.

If it is sundial snails fresh water dips will not help. Sundial snails must be removed manually.
Dipping will kill sea spiders and nudibranches but not the nudi's eggs. You have to manually remove egg sacs or plan on doing other dips for these when they hatch.

goldenmean · 03-11-2007, 07:15 PM

03-09-2007, 01:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
bigfish Midas Blenny Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 103 View Gallery Karma Komment	zoos die hi i have had a colony of zoanthids in my tank. they were thriving at first but slowly they died off almost into nothing..... i test my water and i am sure the quality is fine and i know ihave enough light. I also had a bubble that did the same thing. I have finger and toadstool leather that are still doing great and mushrooms that flourish. Any help would be appreciated. thanks.

03-09-2007, 01:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
fidojoe Fish Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,581 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: zoos die What kind of lighting on what sized tank? Some zoos can be very touchy, and most zoos require more light than leathers, and definitely more than mushrooms. __________________ *Member "Crabs Are Evil" Society* My Tank: 90g AGA, 18g tall sump, CSS 220 w/ meshmod impeller, 4x54w Tek T5 retro w/ IC reflectors, Kalk reactor w/ aquamedic niveaumat system, a few SPS, LPS, zoos, and a few softies, 2 Ocellaris Clowns (hosted by both a RBTA and GBTA), Yellow Watchman, Potter's angel, Yellow Tang, Foxface, Midas Blenny, Purple Pseudo, huge brittle star, 2 tigertail cukes, fire shrimp, snails, and unfortunately two emerald crabs (the bubble algae got out of control).

03-09-2007, 01:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
DaBird Smart Alec with feathers Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Spring Branch, Texas Posts: 1,042 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: zoos die Hi Bigfish, man , there's so many things that could be causing your probs. How old is your tank? Sometimes a tank will mature and then some corals thrive that wouldn't before. I know I had this same problem when my tank was starting (less than a year) but now I can grow allot of corals that I used to struggle with, I know this doesn't answer your question, but it might help in the long run...Patience & luck...D __________________ "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging..." Will Rogers 75 gal Oceanic started in 2001 30 gal fuge/sump 125 lb. LR, 100 lb. LS 2x 250w Reflux MH 12,000k pendants Remora pro skimmer W/1200 mag. Hydor Korlia #4, 6 assorted PHs. 1 pair of Ocellaris, Powder Blue Tang, Yellow Tang, Regal Tang, Scooter, Lawnmower, Red Mandarin, Flame Angel, 2 chromis, Copperband, 1 Emerald, 2 Blue legs, 1 Zebra hermit... Acros,Rainbow Monti, Leathers, Zoos, Zoos and more Zoos, Shrooms...

03-09-2007, 01:53 AM	#4 (permalink)
bigfish Midas Blenny Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 103 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: zoos die my tank is 8 months or so and i ue 220 watt compacts and another 40 watts of actinics. it was in the beginning few months when i did introduce them. maybe i can give it another shot

03-09-2007, 10:25 AM	#5 (permalink)
kyrie_eleison Has been struck by the ban stick Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 273 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: zoos die That's so strange! I have the exact same problem. I have many other corals (toadstool, colt, bubbles and frogspawn) that are all doing great EXCEPT for my zoos. I have the same situation also; I even do 20% water changes every week! However, I have a theory...it could be an infestation: possibly aiptasia and bristleworms because I saw one a couple of days ago moving around my zoos and one anemone very close by. It's just a theory but seems plausible since I don't have anything in my tanks that eat zoos except possibly a scopas but I feed it and the rest of his tank mates so good that can't seem right.

03-09-2007, 10:30 AM	#6 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 21,656 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: zoos die I highly recommend fresh water/iodine dipping all new/sick zoanthids. They could be infested with sundial snails or a disease. Once the dip is finished, place the zoas in a med-high flow with med-high light. Some zoas like high light/flow, others like med light/flow. __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* ~120 Reef Chronicle ~ *~29 gal QT/Hospital tank~* *~3 gal Pico~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________ 120 mixed reef, dual Reeflux 10k 250 MH, dual Actinic t5s,AquaController III, ASM g3, 2x Korallia #3, Mag 9.5 return

03-09-2007, 11:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
Warnberg Acropora Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 1,908 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: zoos die Zoanthid eating nudi...... __________________ Dave 240 Gallon Tall Tencor (96"L x 30"T x 18"W) 4 250 Watt MH XM10K bulbs 2-54 Watt T5 Actinic Euro-Reef CS8-2-RC Jetstream 1 Calcium Reactor 4 Tunze Turbelle stream 6000 power heads 7095 Tunze controller

03-09-2007, 11:40 AM	#8 (permalink)
Woodstock The Wand Geek was here. ;) Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 21,656 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: zoos die Could be... dip them! __________________ ~Doni Marie~ *GOT ICH???* ~120 Reef Chronicle ~ *~29 gal QT/Hospital tank~* *~3 gal Pico~* "Energy and persistence conquer all things." Benjamin Franklin __________________________________________________ ______________________________________________ 120 mixed reef, dual Reeflux 10k 250 MH, dual Actinic t5s,AquaController III, ASM g3, 2x Korallia #3, Mag 9.5 return

03-09-2007, 11:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
fidojoe Fish Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,581 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: zoos die Infestation is a really big possibility. If you leave your tank zoo free for a while, you can get rid of them. Sea spiders could be the problem too. __________________ *Member "Crabs Are Evil" Society* My Tank: 90g AGA, 18g tall sump, CSS 220 w/ meshmod impeller, 4x54w Tek T5 retro w/ IC reflectors, Kalk reactor w/ aquamedic niveaumat system, a few SPS, LPS, zoos, and a few softies, 2 Ocellaris Clowns (hosted by both a RBTA and GBTA), Yellow Watchman, Potter's angel, Yellow Tang, Foxface, Midas Blenny, Purple Pseudo, huge brittle star, 2 tigertail cukes, fire shrimp, snails, and unfortunately two emerald crabs (the bubble algae got out of control).

03-09-2007, 12:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
goldenmean Beautiful Katamari Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,681 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: zoos die I am going through a similar problem with my zoanthids. I have lost 2 colonies and 2 other colonies have been affected but I am hoping they may survive. I found some great information on unexplained zoanthid wasting disease on RC's Zoanthid forum. It started with a new colony that I had added about two weeks before. (I always give new Zoas a fresh water dip). I threw that rock out right away but then a colony on my base rock started deteriorating There was nothing I could do but watch. A week later the colony of well over 100 polyps was completly gone. My other colonies did not show any signs of it until the 2nd colony was nearly all gone. Fresh water dips seem to have slowed the progression of this wasting disease on a couple of my colonies along with small water changes every day. I think I have saved these but have probably lost about 2/3 of those colonies. I have another colony that is clearly a different species and they have been unaffected. If it is sundial snails fresh water dips will not help. Sundial snails must be removed manually. Dipping will kill sea spiders and nudibranches but not the nudi's eggs. You have to manually remove egg sacs or plan on doing other dips for these when they hatch. __________________ A 55g link in the GoldenChain My First Quarantine Tank. 2 (+) Year Retrospective of a 12g Nano Jeff What You Think Upon Grows... Have a Smooth Day!

03-11-2007, 07:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
goldenmean Beautiful Katamari Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,681 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: zoos die __________________ A 55g link in the GoldenChain My First Quarantine Tank. 2 (+) Year Retrospective of a 12g Nano Jeff What You Think Upon Grows... Have a Smooth Day!

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