I need help with my GBTA?? - Page 2

chicap29 · 11-08-2007, 10:33 PM

Alright! Thanks SO MUCH!!! I will do a water change this weekend, my dad used to own the same tank I do so I will get him to help me.

I am going to buy some food for the anenome's, what do you think is the best? I heard a little about silversides.

lcstorc · 11-08-2007, 10:46 PM

Pieces of shrimp, squid, scallops or anything similar. Along with those water changes you want to very slowly increase your salinity. 35 or 1.025 is generally what we shoot for.

reefman420 · 11-08-2007, 10:47 PM

silversides is what i feed mine,I really wish u would have wated a while b4 u got the nem,there for advaned aquariast and that high of nitrates im suprised ure fish are liveing.Dont wait till this weekend to do a waterchange do it now!! or everything will die.The nem is prob. a gonner due to the fact they die slow.So please do a waterchange,not for us but for the nem.

Beginner aquarist need to relize we are takeing alll our livestock from the ocean,when one dies u go get another one wich depleats the number in the ocean<im not trying to bash on u,or critisize you.But please research every move u make in this hobby.

Coral reefs are fastly dissapearing it is up to us the hobbyist to be responsible,thrue coral propagation,and tank bread fish

So please do the water change now!!!

chicap29 · 11-08-2007, 10:58 PM

Ok, the last thing I want is for anything to die. I will do a WC ASAP, 50% and will probably be online when I do it.

One more question then I must go. I am using a biowheel 30Pro, along with a undergravel filter and the Magnum 350. We set this up before we know we were going to get 120 pounds of live rock. Someone told us to get rid of the Biowheel, cause we don't need it. Do you guys agree?

Dentoid · 11-08-2007, 11:01 PM

Biowheels are nitrate factories unless you are diligent about cleaning them. Remove the biowheel. What kind of skimmer are you using? I am assuming with 120lbs of LR your tank is 50-100 gallons.

sasquatch · 11-08-2007, 11:05 PM

Chicap,dont stress out, mix your water and let it aerate and heat to proper temp for 24 hrs then chec salinity again (i recommend a refractometer for accuracy) , one of the worst things for anem's is undissolved salt, im sure you'll be fine, just get the trates down, there is probably enough food around for now, we can deal with the food issue later. good luck and keep asking questions, thats why we come in lol. Steve

chicap29 · 11-08-2007, 11:16 PM

Biowheel will be gone. yes, I have a 90gal but no protein skimmer yet. I have been shopping for a good one for a little while now.

We were actually looking into a Terminator II Protein skimmer and the sump-less kit.

Good one?

reefman420 · 11-08-2007, 11:20 PM

I would look into one of the aqua-c remoras,I would also throw out the undergravel filter to while ure at it.And i did not mean to come off meen

chicap29 · 11-08-2007, 11:26 PM

No problem Reefman, I understand your concerned. Can we just disconnect the undergravel filter and leave the bottom piece there?

reefman420 · 11-08-2007, 11:35 PM

I guess u could.

chicap29 · 11-08-2007, 11:46 PM

Well, I was just thinking we would have to move all the live rock or take it out and cause a lot of disturbance for the fish and rock to remove the bottom piece. It covers the whole bottom.

By the way I love the pic of your dog, that's so cute!

chicap29 · 11-08-2007, 11:50 PM

Thanks to everyone, have a good night!

Frankie · 11-09-2007, 09:26 AM

Stop Using Purple Up!

forestal · 11-09-2007, 09:54 AM

I agree with above, you really want to be comfortable with all your water parameters for (ideally) 6-12 months before anemones and even corals before adding.
with all that live rock, all you need is good water flow, the filter pads may help to screen for particulates tho. if you are good at water changes, skimming is not essential for now ( i think a good idea - but wont change anything right away)

i would test your tap water for nitrates, i bet it is loaded, so the ro/di is a good thing. and changing out the water over the next few weeks will get them down.

open mouth can be a sign of stress , if feeding well (i recommend smaller pieces mysis/cyclopeezeseafood ground up - easier to digest-they may eat the big chuncks but spit it up later undigested) it may still do well. for anemones they can be hardy

only other possible issue is shrimp if you have any have a nasty habit of picking at their mouths looking for food and can stress them out a lot.

my only other thought would be sometimes they don't travel well, and may already be dying when you purchase, so often very good to put them on hold at the store to watch for health

chicap29 · 11-09-2007, 09:25 PM

Wow, thanks to everyone for all your help! I made a huge mistake though. I was using my testing equipment my dad gave me with tanks and they turned out to be from year 2000 to 2002!!!!! To Old, so I went to the store and bought new tests.

Here are my new test results:

Ammonia 0
Nitrites 0
Nitrates 40ppm
Alkalinity not sure yet
pH 7.8
Calcium 420
Temp 77.5 stable for a month now
Phosphates b/w .03

Why is Purple up bad, I've only heard good things about it?

My Blue BTA is closed up alot and the green is half open and half closed. What in the world could be wrong???

I have a Galaxia and some polups that are growing good.

11-08-2007, 10:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
chicap29 Bryozoan Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 49 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? Alright! Thanks SO MUCH!!! I will do a water change this weekend, my dad used to own the same tank I do so I will get him to help me. I am going to buy some food for the anenome's, what do you think is the best? I heard a little about silversides.

11-08-2007, 10:46 PM	#17 (permalink)
lcstorc Sunshine Reefer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Cocoa Fl Posts: 20,866 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? Pieces of shrimp, squid, scallops or anything similar. Along with those water changes you want to very slowly increase your salinity. 35 or 1.025 is generally what we shoot for. __________________ Peace LYNN You can't change the past but you can change how you view it. A reef tank is like a racecar. The faster you go the harder you crash. Lynn and Franks saltwater adventure Lynn's 20g clown tank Lynn's 90g of sunshine Every 60 seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back. In Loving Memory Of Z 01/22/07 - 08/19/08

11-08-2007, 10:47 PM	#18 (permalink)
reefman420 Elegance coral Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: minneapolis Posts: 1,085 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? silversides is what i feed mine,I really wish u would have wated a while b4 u got the nem,there for advaned aquariast and that high of nitrates im suprised ure fish are liveing.Dont wait till this weekend to do a waterchange do it now!! or everything will die.The nem is prob. a gonner due to the fact they die slow.So please do a waterchange,not for us but for the nem. Beginner aquarist need to relize we are takeing alll our livestock from the ocean,when one dies u go get another one wich depleats the number in the ocean<im not trying to bash on u,or critisize you.But please research every move u make in this hobby. Coral reefs are fastly dissapearing it is up to us the hobbyist to be responsible,thrue coral propagation,and tank bread fish So please do the water change now!!! __________________ 155 oceanic bow front,20 long refuge packed with caluerpa and mangroves,40 gallon sump,175lbs LR,3x250 watt xm 10ks,aqua-c remora,and pro-clear 150 skimmers sailfin tang,kole tang,royal gramma,cinnimon clown,2xpink skunk clowns,six line wrasse,mandarin, 155 bow coral-orange montipora cap,superman monti cap,scripps green polyped staghorn,ORA pink poccilipora,ORA blue millipora,green slimer,yellow UK acro,pink birdsnest,armor of god zoas,various zoas and shrooms,hammer,frogspawn,clove polyps,favite,fancey toadstool,reg toadstool,yellow leather,purple leather,devils hand,2 types xenia,ricordea florida,ricordea yuma,kenya tree,galaxia,bubble coral,button polyps inverts are lots of snails and hermits,crocea clam,maxima clam and seabae anemone,rbta

11-08-2007, 10:58 PM	#19 (permalink)
chicap29 Bryozoan Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 49 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? Ok, the last thing I want is for anything to die. I will do a WC ASAP, 50% and will probably be online when I do it. One more question then I must go. I am using a biowheel 30Pro, along with a undergravel filter and the Magnum 350. We set this up before we know we were going to get 120 pounds of live rock. Someone told us to get rid of the Biowheel, cause we don't need it. Do you guys agree?

11-08-2007, 11:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
Dentoid Over Achiever Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 10,289 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? Biowheels are nitrate factories unless you are diligent about cleaning them. Remove the biowheel. What kind of skimmer are you using? I am assuming with 120lbs of LR your tank is 50-100 gallons. __________________ Scott Dentoid's Reeforama

11-08-2007, 11:05 PM	#21 (permalink)
sasquatch Brunt of all Jokes~ Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: the very farthest west coast of canada Posts: 8,917 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? Chicap,dont stress out, mix your water and let it aerate and heat to proper temp for 24 hrs then chec salinity again (i recommend a refractometer for accuracy) , one of the worst things for anem's is undissolved salt, im sure you'll be fine, just get the trates down, there is probably enough food around for now, we can deal with the food issue later. good luck and keep asking questions, thats why we come in lol. Steve __________________ castawayreefers.com

11-08-2007, 11:16 PM	#22 (permalink)
chicap29 Bryozoan Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 49 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? Biowheel will be gone. yes, I have a 90gal but no protein skimmer yet. I have been shopping for a good one for a little while now. We were actually looking into a Terminator II Protein skimmer and the sump-less kit. Good one?

11-08-2007, 11:20 PM	#23 (permalink)
reefman420 Elegance coral Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: minneapolis Posts: 1,085 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? I would look into one of the aqua-c remoras,I would also throw out the undergravel filter to while ure at it.And i did not mean to come off meen __________________ 155 oceanic bow front,20 long refuge packed with caluerpa and mangroves,40 gallon sump,175lbs LR,3x250 watt xm 10ks,aqua-c remora,and pro-clear 150 skimmers sailfin tang,kole tang,royal gramma,cinnimon clown,2xpink skunk clowns,six line wrasse,mandarin, 155 bow coral-orange montipora cap,superman monti cap,scripps green polyped staghorn,ORA pink poccilipora,ORA blue millipora,green slimer,yellow UK acro,pink birdsnest,armor of god zoas,various zoas and shrooms,hammer,frogspawn,clove polyps,favite,fancey toadstool,reg toadstool,yellow leather,purple leather,devils hand,2 types xenia,ricordea florida,ricordea yuma,kenya tree,galaxia,bubble coral,button polyps inverts are lots of snails and hermits,crocea clam,maxima clam and seabae anemone,rbta

11-08-2007, 11:26 PM	#24 (permalink)
chicap29 Bryozoan Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 49 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? No problem Reefman, I understand your concerned. Can we just disconnect the undergravel filter and leave the bottom piece there?

11-08-2007, 11:35 PM	#25 (permalink)
reefman420 Elegance coral Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: minneapolis Posts: 1,085 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? I guess u could. __________________ 155 oceanic bow front,20 long refuge packed with caluerpa and mangroves,40 gallon sump,175lbs LR,3x250 watt xm 10ks,aqua-c remora,and pro-clear 150 skimmers sailfin tang,kole tang,royal gramma,cinnimon clown,2xpink skunk clowns,six line wrasse,mandarin, 155 bow coral-orange montipora cap,superman monti cap,scripps green polyped staghorn,ORA pink poccilipora,ORA blue millipora,green slimer,yellow UK acro,pink birdsnest,armor of god zoas,various zoas and shrooms,hammer,frogspawn,clove polyps,favite,fancey toadstool,reg toadstool,yellow leather,purple leather,devils hand,2 types xenia,ricordea florida,ricordea yuma,kenya tree,galaxia,bubble coral,button polyps inverts are lots of snails and hermits,crocea clam,maxima clam and seabae anemone,rbta

11-08-2007, 11:46 PM	#26 (permalink)
chicap29 Bryozoan Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 49 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? Well, I was just thinking we would have to move all the live rock or take it out and cause a lot of disturbance for the fish and rock to remove the bottom piece. It covers the whole bottom. By the way I love the pic of your dog, that's so cute!

11-08-2007, 11:50 PM	#27 (permalink)
chicap29 Bryozoan Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 49 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? Thanks to everyone, have a good night!

11-09-2007, 09:26 AM	#28 (permalink)
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11-09-2007, 09:54 AM	#29 (permalink)
forestal Torch coral Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vernon, CT Posts: 582 View Gallery Karma Komment Add yours!	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? I agree with above, you really want to be comfortable with all your water parameters for (ideally) 6-12 months before anemones and even corals before adding. with all that live rock, all you need is good water flow, the filter pads may help to screen for particulates tho. if you are good at water changes, skimming is not essential for now ( i think a good idea - but wont change anything right away) i would test your tap water for nitrates, i bet it is loaded, so the ro/di is a good thing. and changing out the water over the next few weeks will get them down. open mouth can be a sign of stress , if feeding well (i recommend smaller pieces mysis/cyclopeezeseafood ground up - easier to digest-they may eat the big chuncks but spit it up later undigested) it may still do well. for anemones they can be hardy only other possible issue is shrimp if you have any have a nasty habit of picking at their mouths looking for food and can stress them out a lot. my only other thought would be sometimes they don't travel well, and may already be dying when you purchase, so often very good to put them on hold at the store to watch for health __________________ Peace, Dan

11-09-2007, 09:25 PM	#30 (permalink)
chicap29 Bryozoan Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 49 View Gallery Karma Komment	Re: I need help with my GBTA?? Wow, thanks to everyone for all your help! I made a huge mistake though. I was using my testing equipment my dad gave me with tanks and they turned out to be from year 2000 to 2002!!!!! To Old, so I went to the store and bought new tests. Here are my new test results: Ammonia 0 Nitrites 0 Nitrates 40ppm Alkalinity not sure yet pH 7.8 Calcium 420 Temp 77.5 stable for a month now Phosphates b/w .03 Why is Purple up bad, I've only heard good things about it? My Blue BTA is closed up alot and the green is half open and half closed. What in the world could be wrong??? I have a Galaxia and some polups that are growing good.

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