[burntfish]

This is what I love about forums you get the best criticism about the things you want to be told all in a super nice way. Thank you for the info. I was leading towards a diy sump/refug. That is great to know about not wanting all the extra junk from TBS. Please keep it coming it helps so much.

To drill or not to drill, my tank is not drilled.
I plan on making a way to big stand.
If not tbs where to get live s/r