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Originally Posted by elegance coral

If it was the dirty water like you sugest wouldn't this be a benefit to people trying to keep these corals today? Most aquariums today are far cleaner then the ones we kept long ago. These corals from cleaner water, as you put it, would be better suited to the clean aquariums of today. I don't understand your logic here.

you missed the point. its not dirty water, its not lighting. its a stressed coral that reacts to whatever environmental conditions exist. the most obvious reaction is mucus secreations. bacteria eat and weaken the coral allowing pathogens to invade. the exact cause is not so much what stressed it but what happend after it was stressed. not all die after being stressed but the death rate is increasing and its not because of lighting.

"My work is at best anecdotal, nothing more." Are you okay? If I can spend a year and a half placing these corals in different environments and determining what works and what doesn't. The out come is far from anecdotal. 90% of all animal research is observation. Universities and private organizations spend millions each year to send people all over the world to Observe animals. This is how we learn how they react in different environments, how they mate, and what they need to survive. This type of work is the backbone of our understanding of the animal kingdom. It is hardly anecdotal. Through my observations I have learned how to care for these corals and keep them alive when most others fail.

am i ok,sure. but...hummm, before you get offended by a word you do not understand first look it up. here is link on what anecdotal evidence is. Anecdotal evidence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia did not mean to offend you, sorry if i did. but your work is anecdotal, not good or bad it just is anecdotal.

I said in my theory that I could not prove the part about the skin thickness. I don't need to. If we know that these corals are damaged far easier than the corals of old, then we can keep these corals away from things that can harm them. The thickness of their tissue is the only logical explanation I coud come up with to account for this. It is far from fact and this is why I presented it that way.

you might not know and only logical explanation you can think of because you "dont need to"

I worry about you. What triggers this proccess is light.

dont worry about me. your idea about the light triggering it is wrong. this happens, its well documented, in the presents of direct light, in shaded corals, highlighting and low lighting. under all light types the issue remains.

If you remove a coral from a relatively low light area and place it under Mh lighting and it begins to swell up in seconds, then it only stands to reason that the light did it. If you do this multiple times with several different individuals and they all react the same way is it not safe to say that the light did it?

so will just about every coral. even mushes. i am not sure your getting it. its not external stimuli its internal triggers. sure lighting starts the inflammation, as in just about all corals, but its not what triggers the proccess. something that gets released internally in response to external stimuli is the trigger.

Why this takes place is arguable. To keep these corals alive and healthy I don't need to know why. All I need is to know it takes place.

as it does in most corals. its not a mystery as to why. the elegance issue is though.

The whole reason I started this research was to find out how to care for them and to pass that knowledge on to others. It has taken me a very long time a way to much money, but I can safely say that I am done with this portion of my research. I know how to care for them and am willing to tell those that are interested how they too can keep these corals alive and healthy.

a good reason to start. sharing your experience is always a good thing.

There will be those like yourself that want to belittle the work I have done. I can only hope that you don't buy any Elegance corals.

why so mad. i am not trying to belilttle the work you have done. you give info like "its the lighting thats the trigger" but no proof. i am just challeging your findings.

You can choose to believe what ever you like. All I can do is tell people that I can keep them alive and healthy and this is how I do it.

its not what i beleive its just the facts. stating what you did is fine. but stating "What triggers this proccess is light" is not accurate and missleading.